From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Karni" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bidi,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Re: Handling invisible text in bidirectional display Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:39:44 +0200 Organization: Mivtach-Simon Insurance agencies Message-ID: <201001172039.o0HKdiKG011834@beta.mvs.co.il> References: <83y6jyat25.fsf@gnu.org> <87eilpzwrs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <83vdf1bxbg.fsf@gnu.org> <833a248r8i.fsf@gnu.org> <873a24zdsw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: ehud@unix.mvs.co.il NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263760854 28638 80.91.229.12 (17 Jan 2010 20:40:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: dak@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 17 21:40:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NWbvP-0007Dh-Sf for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:40:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51435 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NWbvQ-0004xf-O9 for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:40:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NWbuf-0004jR-FK for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:57 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NWbua-0004hP-0u for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40120 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NWbuZ-0004hI-O3 for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.16.147.12] (port=53822 helo=unix.mvs.co.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NWbuY-0004bu-Oj for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:51 -0500 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (beta [10.253.0.3]) by unix.mvs.co.il (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id o0HKdihl029048; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:39:45 +0200 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0HKdi3w011848; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:39:44 +0200 Original-Received: (from root@localhost) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id o0HKdiKG011834; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:39:44 +0200 In-reply-to: <873a24zdsw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:17:35 +0100) X-Mailer: Emacs 21.3.1 rmail (send-msg 1.109) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Greylist: delayed 1284 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:48 EST X-BeenThere: emacs-bidi@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of Emacs support for multi-directional text." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bidi:449 gmane.emacs.devel:120175 Archived-At: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:17:35 David Kastrup wrote: > > I disagree, because there is no reason for 5 and 4 to switch their order > anymore. Eli may had a poor example but he has the correct logic. Let me give you a better everyday example. A table with alternate Latin and Hebrew columns, something like: HEB1 lat1 HEB2 lat2 HEB3 lat3 which is displayed as (in R2L reading frame): lat3 3BEH lat2 2BEH lat1 1BEH Now if HEB2 and HEB3 are invisible, Eli method will show: lat3 lat2 lat1 1BEH While your method will produce: lat1 lat2 lat3 1BEH i.e. the columns will have changed places. It is even more complicated when the Latin is replaced by digits. (if lat1 is a number, Eli's method does not change, while your method produce: lat2 lat3 number 1BEH). Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /"\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7976-561 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D Better Safe Than Sorry