From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused. Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:17:36 +0000 Message-ID: <20090529131736.GF2793@muc.de> References: <20090528122927.GA2175@muc.de> <87fxepf9s8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528201529.GA4605@muc.de> <87bppdx8c0.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528230359.GA1474@muc.de> <83y6sgqp6l.fsf@gnu.org> <20090529093533.GC2793@muc.de> <833aao5jew.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243603027 21474 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2009 13:17:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 15:17:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MA1xF-0000wN-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:17:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46522 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MA1xE-0005bi-Km for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:17:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MA1x7-0005bE-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MA1x3-0005ZQ-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46019 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MA1x2-0005ZB-NN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2257 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MA1x2-0000qc-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 7264 invoked by uid 3782); 29 May 2009 13:16:46 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E514E9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.20.233]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:16:38 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 7021 invoked by uid 1000); 29 May 2009 13:17:36 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <833aao5jew.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111199 Archived-At: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:48:39PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:35:33 +0000 > > Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > > Manuals shouldn't be patronising. When a manual implicitly says > > > > "if you can't even figure out what I mean by \"active\", you're > > > > stupid", that's patronising. > > > Did the manual actually say that? where? > > No, it didn't _actually_ say that, it _implicitly_ said it; or, more > > precisely, that's the message I would hear if I were an Emacs user > > trying to make sense of that page of the manual. > What text, exactly, could send such a message? All the text using the obscure undefined word "active".