From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bugs against emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20081217053906.GF4782@volo.donarmstrong.com> References: <20081212235751.GK24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081213094259.GM24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081213231403.GR24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081214002310.GT24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081214101335.GC7530@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229492368 25543 80.91.229.12 (17 Dec 2008 05:39:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:39:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 06:40:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCp98-0006M4-9P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:40:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42224 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCp7w-0004dB-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCp7q-0004cu-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCp7p-0004cU-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45385 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCp7p-0004cL-1d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:42046) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCp7o-0003zJ-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBH5d988013024 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:09 -0800 Original-Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBH5d98M013019 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:09 -0800 Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 15384 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:39:06 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106995 Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Stefan Monnier wrote: > For what it's worth, I'd much rather prefer you don't touch reply-to > unless really necessary, so I wonder what is the reason for fiddling > with reply-to. Because a reply shouldn't go anywhere else but to the user who sent it and the bug itself. > >> If "reply-to-all" sends to addresses to which the reply should > >> *never* be sent, then the error is not in the use of rely-to-all, > >> but in the headers of the email to which the user is replying. > > > No, the error is in the use of reply-to-all which include To: in > > addition to addresses listed in Reply-To:. The only way to work > > around these sorts of idiocies is to totally strip the To: header > > entirely, which is fundamentally broken. > > But in *no* circumstance is it right to reply to a Debbugs message > by sending the reply to bug-gnu-emacs or submit@bugs or > emacs-pretest-bug or bug-submit-list, so clearly these addresses > should not appear in any of the headers that might be used by "reply > to all". That would require ripping out To: from the message, and setting it to something entirely bogus, as I said originally. It's not like I don't understand what the problem is here, why it's caused, or what it would take to work around broken assumptions by users. Don Armstrong -- Only one creature could have duplicated the expressions on their faces, and that would be a pigeon who has heard not only that Lord Nelson has got down off his column but has also been seen buying a 12-bore repeater and a box of cartridges. -- Terry Pratchet _Mort_ http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu