From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bugs against emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:13:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20081214101335.GC7530@volo.donarmstrong.com> References: <20081212232551.GJ24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081212235751.GK24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081213094259.GM24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081213231403.GR24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081214002310.GT24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229249650 22762 80.91.229.12 (14 Dec 2008 10:14:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:14:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 11:15:16 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LBo0G-0006nH-GF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:15:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LBnz4-0005C1-Fv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:13:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LBnyx-0005Ai-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LBnyw-00059T-2j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:13:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50554 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LBnyv-00059Q-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:56934) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LBnyv-00078x-Cl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBEADlTJ019211 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:13:47 -0800 Original-Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBEADkAr019210 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:13:46 -0800 Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 14998 invoked by uid 1000); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:13:35 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106910 Archived-At: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > There's no way to know whether such a message is going to actually > > through, and it's still pretty hackish anyway. People really need to > > stay away from the "reply-to-all" crack. > > I don't think that's right: "reply to all" should include NNN@bugs, > but not submit@bugs, not bug-gnu-emacs, not emacs-pretest-bug, not > bug-submit-list, ... so the problem is in the headers of the > messages sent by Debbugs which doesn't strip some of those addresses > (tho it does seem to strip submit@bugs properly). The Reply-To: is set to the From:/Reply-To: of the incoming message and the bug itself, no matter how the bug came in. > If "reply-to-all" sends to addresses to which the reply should > *never* be sent, then the error is not in the use of rely-to-all, > but in the headers of the email to which the user is replying. No, the error is in the use of reply-to-all which include To: in addition to addresses listed in Reply-To:. The only way to work around these sorts of idiocies is to totally strip the To: header entirely, which is fundamentally broken. Don Armstrong -- If I had a letter, sealed it in a locked vault and hid the vault somewhere in New York. Then told you to read the letter, thats not security, thats obscurity. If I made a letter, sealed it in a vault, gave you the blueprints of the vault, the combinations of 1000 other vaults, access to the best lock smiths in the world, then told you to read the letter, and you still can't, thats security. -- Bruce Schneier http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu