From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: japanese vs. chinese fonts Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:30:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20081002.113032.155350320.wl@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222939861 12963 80.91.229.12 (2 Oct 2008 09:31:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org To: miles@gnu.org, miles.bader@necel.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 02 11:31:58 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KlKXN-00023U-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:31:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34629 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KlKWK-000898-I2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:30:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KlKWD-00088j-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:30:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KlKWB-000889-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:30:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46121 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KlKWA-000880-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:30:43 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]:62002) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KlKW6-0007Nv-Ro; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (ip-78-94-12-6.unitymediagroup.de [78.94.12.6]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KlKW12jfe-0007VP; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:30:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2.53 on Emacs 23.0.50.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dHSIH//Rh/rtYO1WjM84GrqU18rKoZQ0sNEJ JhfQmZwnVoIo5HTDx3CA04cWB4rcnJ1lMtOHVwE7uRtcJJUu3N Zy9hAwIrWuny4+2Wwe9ng== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104295 Archived-At: > The debian description also says: > > This font provides full coverage of GBK (CP936) charset, CJK > Unified Ideographs, as well as the code-points needed for zh_CN, > zh_SG, zh_TW, zh_HK, zh_MO, ja (Japanese) and ko (Korean) > locales for fontconfig. Hmm. Does this font also provides proper `localized' glyphs, this is, you select an OpenType language tag so that you get proper glyph shapes? They can vary considerably (and this is what Miles disturbes). Without this, the font shouldn't announce itself as covering more than a single CJK *language*. Ken Lunde, the leading CJK expert of Adobe, wrote a few years ago an article regarding CJK glyph shapes (for a Unicode conference). He estimates that about a third of all CJK glyphs (this means approx. 20000 characters!) need localized forms. An additional complication is ideographic variation (this is something on the character level, thus relevant to editors like Emacs), cf. http://unicode.org/reports/tr37/ Werner