From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Specifying mode in file variables trouble Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:55:44 +0200 Message-ID: <20080925075544.GA18347@tomas> References: <48D79A25.7050000@gmail.com> <48D8BB40.6060806@gmail.com> <48D954F9.4010302@gmail.com> <48DA770F.8010803@gmail.com> <20080925062845.GA17698@tomas> <877i90ralp.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222328703 24987 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2008 07:45:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Richard M. Stallman" , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, aaron.s.hawley@gmail.com, dmhouse@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Paul R Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 25 09:46:00 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KilXw-0005eL-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41293 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KilWu-0008Fr-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KilWo-0008FR-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KilWn-0008Ej-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56893 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KilWn-0008Ed-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:22149) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KilWl-0000nu-GJ; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104] helo=www.elogos.de) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KilWk-0004zN-4i; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 40F8B90008; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877i90ralp.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104136 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:41:22AM +0200, Paul R wrote: > Hello Thomas, > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:28:45 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de said: > > tomas> But I would be wary of pulling in a full-fledged XML machinery > tomas> just to edit (pure) PHP source [...] > The line has to be drawn at a point. We probably all agree that emacs > memory consumption is sufficiently low with respect to current > hardware. So I beleive this should not drive out features that make > emacs DTRT when visiting a file. It's only partially the computer's resources I am worried about. It's my limited brain. I like the feeling I understand the tools I use (to some extent). > tomas> As an analogy, I'm regularly irked by reglar GNU/Linux distros > tomas> installing Avahi-this or Evolution-that [...] > I think this a different kind of problem (persistent storage > consumption). And some distros offer you to choose dependency at build > time, through build flags. Distros you are talking about are probably > designed for ease of use and least surprise, and I bet they perform > very well in this field. Aren't they ? They do now, but you see a growing tendency of everything-depending-on- everything-else, which is a pity, really. Because this modularity was a strength of the UNIX-like systems. > BTW, I hope we can get emacs distribution more modular during next > cycle, so that you would not have to download and build a complex php > mode if you never edit php. This is a goal in itself, but the point I was trying to make is: if I was a PHP programmer, I probably wouldn't like to have the whole XML/HTML kaboodle in that as well *unless I needed it*. It was a plea to make the mumamo approach itself more modular (I do applaud the multiple major modes work very strongly!). Regards - -- tomas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI20QABcgs9XrR2kYRAnlwAJsG/qcwlfbCBC32qVX2bJYOf1z0mwCfUpWq rI0jBNIOLva0XI1cbte/TJQ= =j/S4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----