From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:51:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20080831165147.GC23718@tomas> References: <48B7F905.7060605@gmail.com> <001301c909e8$d63092e0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20080829155801.05fabc31.taylor@metasyntax.net> <48B8899F.6040308@harpegolden.net> <48B89284.9060202@gmail.com> <48B8AD6E.8010906@harpegolden.net> <20080830051048.GA9625@tomas> <48B9BB0D.3040902@harpegolden.net> <20080831045308.GA20578@tomas> <48BA8DD0.2030801@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220200998 12738 80.91.229.12 (31 Aug 2008 16:43:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 31 18:44:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZq27-00063M-PS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:44:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZq19-0006OG-3V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZq14-0006MK-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZq12-0006Ji-PB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51403 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZq12-0006JY-LY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:44952) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZq12-0000No-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104] helo=www.elogos.de) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZq0z-0002bb-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:43:01 -0400 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F99E90065; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48BA8DD0.2030801@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103325 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 02:25:52PM +0200, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Sorry. It was meant as a sarcastic remark (and as such rather > > inconstructive, I apologize) towards those who want to impose whateve= r > > inconsistent idea Windows has come up upon the rest of us. >=20 > Writing on controversiel matters is difficult. Is not "inconsistent" > another sarcasm? ;-) No, this one was really genuine: Windows does undo by default *unless the drive is a network drive* -- then it doesn't. Windows moves files on drag-and-drop *unless it's across drives* -- then it copies. In the second case the user has (usually) a fair chance to know the difference, courtesy of the drive letters. In the first case, though... Copying this behaviour to an Unix-like system (as Gnome does) makes even the second case mystifying. How is the user supposed to know what is mounted where? It's those behaviours I was labelling as "inconsistent" -- this was honest and straight and not a bit sarcastic. > I think the idea Stephen Turnbull had to stop this thread is good: Try > to write functions to switch between more platform dependent manners. >=20 > And then turn them on by default on the different platforms ... ;-) This might be a sane approach. To have a "Unix" and a "Windows" flavour. Or whatever.. > It is very difficult avoiding stepping a bit on each other here. I thin= k > we have to accept that instead of saying that it means anyone is > imposing something on another. Yep. But if you propose a different default, you might expect to hear some screams ;-) BTW: I'm not opposed to the idea of a "trash" can. But I'd like to see it implemented as part of the file system. That's clean, has no security risks, and it's not up to every single user app to (re-)implement it in a possibly slightly different way (yes: a desktop environment is a user app (or a bunch thereof)). Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIuswjBcgs9XrR2kYRAsfiAJwLyGNjErcRThOmwaSUFdFsAIZlawCfa9rT tkL9ZjM846trIjDZWAuu2SM=3D =3DZ7mt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----