From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:09:06 +0000 Message-ID: <20080827220906.GB5374@muc.de> References: <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <48B44802.1080302@emf.net> <48B5D5EF.2030501@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219874758 7072 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 22:05:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 28 00:06:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYT9w-0006Ms-VS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:06:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60551 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT8y-0007WN-MI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT8u-0007Vf-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT8s-0007VO-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60298 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYT8s-0007V6-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:1389 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYT8r-00047k-Hp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 76148 invoked by uid 3782); 27 Aug 2008 22:05:27 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E518F3.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.24.243]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:05:25 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 6726 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Aug 2008 22:09:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48B5D5EF.2030501@emf.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103056 Archived-At: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:32:15PM -0700, Thomas Lord wrote: > Richard M. Stallman wrote: > >Your reasoning is confused, and the conclusion makes no sense. > >My decision remains unchanged. > My reasoning is not confused. I'll restate it more plainly: [ Snip 70 lines of the usual. ] > Ok, so... don't go from that good position, way back then, to a modern > one where for some twisted reason you conclude that you should decline > to "improve the system" when you have every right to. Feature bans > are antithetical to the hacker spirit that gave rise to the free > software movement. Thomas, this is the Emacs developers' mailing list. Basic courtesy is the expected norm here, even when disagreeing strongly with somebody. If you were to fix a bug, or start implementing a cool new feature - you know, make some sort of contribution, no matter how small - it would be really appreciated. We don't need a Director of Marketing here. > -t -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).