From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:44:26 +0200 Message-ID: <200808141344.26855.tassilo@member.fsf.org> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080814103040.GB2593@muc.de> <87y72z7t3c.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218714389 12907 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2008 11:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:46:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 14 13:47:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KTbIO-00007p-IC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:47:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41581 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTbHS-0004UR-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTbHN-0004U4-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTbHK-0004Tp-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34518 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTbHK-0004Tm-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]:22107) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTbHK-0003L6-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B53B789772C for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deliver.uni-koblenz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17082-05 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:46:04 +0200 (CEST) X-CHKRCPT: Envelopesender vrfy tassilo@member.fsf.org Original-Received: from thinkpad.localnet (unknown [141.26.67.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFA47894002 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:46:04 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: KMail/1.10.0 (Linux/2.6.26-gentoo; KDE/4.1.61; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <87y72z7t3c.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-koblenz.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102443 Archived-At: On Thursday 14 August 2008 13:07:35 Johannes Weiner wrote: Hi Hannes, > Neither the Linux kernel, nor I as a free user who chooses not to load > proprietary bullcrap into it, have been harmed by the kernel's > mechanism to load said bullcrap. That needs not to be true. Take the nvidia drivers as an example. If the kernel wouldn't allow this driver to be loaded, we might have a better free driver today. Who knows? The same applies to the intel wireless drivers, which require some proprietary firmware. If something works, the attraction of implementing a free alternative fades away. Of course you can argue the other way round, too. Would GNU/Linux be where it is today if no proprietary drivers allowed most features of the computer to be used? Bye, Tassilo