From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: eshell-defgroup. Do we really need this? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:27:54 +0000 Message-ID: <20080729222754.GC2208@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217370471 30186 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 22:27:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:27:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 30 00:28:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNxgM-0002X7-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:28:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53590 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNxfS-0003Ci-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNxfG-00035y-En for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNxfE-00033l-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37144 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNxfE-00033V-2U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:1501 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNxfD-000428-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 60975 invoked by uid 3782); 29 Jul 2008 22:27:24 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E53939.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.57.57]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:27:21 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 14915 invoked by uid 1000); 29 Jul 2008 22:27:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101722 Archived-At: Hi, emacs, I've just done a cvs update in CVS head. I really wish I hadn't. I tried unadorned 'make'. This told me "can't find cl-compile-time-init" on an (include cl). What???? So back to 'make bootstrap'. It says "can't find eshell-defgroup". Hey, guys, 'make bootstrap' should work. MAKE BOOTSTRAP SHOULD WORK. MAKE BOOTSTRAP SHOULD WORK. Or, SOMETHING should - the last fallback before shouting naughty words at high volume. make bootstrap _is_ that last, guaranteed to work fallback, isn't it? Isn't it? Hey, I'm tired and fed up, and really ought to be in bed. I'm hacking off you, the reader. I can't even think straight, I feel like I'm drunk, but I've not touched any alcohol for days. I'm not even sleep deprived. Hey, make bootstrap should ALWAYS work, shouldn't it? A quick So, here's another hour lost to bootstrap hell. This just isn't fun. A quick find . -name '*.el' | xargs grep eshell-defgroup gives me (defalias 'eshell-defgroup 'defgroup) somewhere. Hey, is this what's breaking make bootstrap???? WHAT'S WRONG WITH DEFGROUP, that you need to call it eshell-defgroup?? Hey, guys, THIS ISN'T FUN!!!! I want to hack Emacs. I know, I've caused this myself before too, so I'm not claiming I'm better than anybody else. But I thought we'd got this fixed a few weeks back. Why won't our CVS head build NEARLY ALL THE TIME!!! I wish I hadn't. It's update hell again, in eshell hell. Back to update hell, in eshell. update autogen-clean, as recommended by Heck, I'm going to bed. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS, SURELY????? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).