From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:42:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> References: <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216068424 15167 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 20:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:47:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 22:47:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIUxY-0000Jr-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:47:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIUwg-0005sD-5N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIUsl-0002Hx-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIUsk-0002HO-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33522 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIUsj-0002HH-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:56293) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIUsk-0003xi-1q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6EKgiaC022744 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:42:44 -0700 Original-Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6EKghbc022743 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:42:43 -0700 Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 17591 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:42:42 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100696 Archived-At: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, David Kastrup wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > > It took me ~2 hours to get my Emacs to find my site-start.el - > > Debian (and thus Ubuntu too) puts a content-free site-start.el > > somewhere in /etc which blocks out your own real one. Just edit /etc/emacs/site-start.el if you want it emacs wide, or shove stuff into /etc/emacs/site-start.d/; it's pretty trivial. [Though frankly, most things that people think they should shove into site-start.el doesn't belong there: it belongs in ~/.emacs.] > Forget about Debian and Emacs. They use a clever system for sharing > package code between different Emacs versions (which you can install > at the same time) and XEmacs, so clever that nobody understands it. Lots of us understand it; it's pretty trivial. Thanks to that system, installing packaged emacs add-ons is absolutely trivial. If you're lost, see http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/debian-emacs-policy > I know of _no_ upstream Emacs or XEmacs developer who claims to > understand or get along with the Debian setup. There's no need for upstream developers to bother, since it's all handled for them by Debian Developers. Don Armstrong -- We cast this message into the cosmos. [...] We are trying to survive our time so we may live into yours. We hope some day, having solved the problems we face, to join a community of Galactic Civilizations. This record represents our hope and our determination and our goodwill in a vast and awesome universe. -- Jimmy Carter on the Voyager Golden Record http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu