From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: <20080614120324.GA4589@muc.de> References: <82BFC2C8-9E38-491F-863D-1C420AB13882@uva.nl> <20080613095819.GB2618@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213457836 2325 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 15:37:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dominik@uva.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard M Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 14 17:37:59 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7XpE-0004Ug-NN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:37:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52638 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7XoQ-0008F7-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7XoL-0008ER-WB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7XoK-0008DA-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:37:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52235 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7XoJ-0008D3-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:36:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:39553) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7XVk-0004KK-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:17:49 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1] helo=mail.muc.de) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7UE8-0007o3-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:47:24 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 4225 invoked by uid 3782); 14 Jun 2008 11:40:42 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E5274A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.39.74]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:40:39 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 4956 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Jun 2008 12:03:25 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99175 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 06:48:27PM -0400, Richard M Stallman wrote: > Debian's policy starts from good motives, but they were too rigid in > carrying them out, and reached a foolish conclusion. I wish they would > change it, but I can't make them change it. There are many intelligent men and women of good will who, after a great deal of agonising over the matter, have reached a different conclusion. However one sees it, the current situation is one great big pain in the association list. Nearly everybody agrees there are problems with the current GFDL. For example, in the CC Mode manual, there is a page "Sample .emacs file". If anyone were to copy this page into her .emacs and modify it (which is the whole idea), she would then have to license her .emacs under the GFDL before passing it on. This is ludicrous. If anyone wanted to condense this manual into a short snappy reference card, they would end up printing the cover texts, the invariant sections, together with the GFDL, the said snappy reference "appearing" (if that is the right word) somewhere in the tome, almost as an afterthought. This isn't much less ludicrous. It would be nice if the GFDL could be revised to fix these (and other) ludicrosities. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).