From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:44:54 +0000 Message-ID: <20080613094454.GA2618@muc.de> References: <82BFC2C8-9E38-491F-863D-1C420AB13882@uva.nl> <19e566510806121351m3f6daedesc50381af2f92b150@mail.gmail.com> <200806131055.15329.andreas.roehler@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213349215 2828 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 09:26:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Carsten Dominik , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 13 11:27:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K75ZJ-0003yR-Fs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:27:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51240 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K75YV-0004Ps-JI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:26:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K75UH-0001mq-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K75UD-0001lQ-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:22:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56205 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K75UD-0001lG-BF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:1695 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K75UC-0000Ry-VA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 88591 invoked by uid 3782); 13 Jun 2008 09:22:18 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E53262.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.50.98]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:22:16 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2966 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Jun 2008 09:44:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200806131055.15329.andreas.roehler@online.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99081 Archived-At: 'n Morgen Andreas! On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:55:14AM +0200, Andreas Röhler wrote: > Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Glenn Morris: > > "??smail Dönmez" wrote: > > > Of course he can relicense it > > This was not as obvious to me as it was to others, since we assign > > our past and future rights to the FSF. But looking at the details, > > they grant rights back to the original author, so if there is a > > "pristine" version of org.texi that is solely your own work, you can > > probably do what you like with it. > What means "pristine"? New from the scratch? No, the state it was in before others edited it. > Copyright-assigment policy will lead to burocracy. Yes. But it also prevents other, worse, bureaucracy (yes, it's much easier to spell in German ;-). > It will discourage people and stiffle their creativity. And probably it > will shadow reputation of FSF, which is to deplore not only for Emacs's > sake. It hasn't stifled my creativity. What the copyright assignment is really about is when "my" copyright is violated, I've got the FSF to take up the legal cudgels, something I couldn't do on my own. > I miss the human maintainer and copyright-notice in the sources. It was > always nice to read. Maintainer FSF reads terrible. I agree fully. Can't people be proud of their contributions and leave their name in? > Greetings > > Andreas Roehler -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).