From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:55:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080607195544.GE1420@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uod6dmick.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:20:37 -0400
> > From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
> >
> > Whoever said expecting builds in CVS to work consistently was
> > "hopelessly unrealistic" is simply revealing that the Emacs system
> > is broken as designed.
>
> This is free software: you are welcome to fix whatever you think is
> broken.
Yeah, like I wouldn't get flamed to fare-thee-well if I shot autotools
through the head and replaced it with something like scons -- which is
only part of what needs to happen. What we have here is a mess compounded
of the limitations of CVS, Makefiles, and configure, with a semi-infinite
number of layers of historical cruft layered over all three.
The real problem here isn't technical, it's cultural. This crew is way
too used to rusty, broken, archaic tools like CVS and the high hassle
costs that go with them. Until that changes, fixing the mess will
be theoretically conceivable but politically impossible.
--
<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
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2008-06-07 13:20 ` Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61 Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 14:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-06-07 14:07 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-07 15:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-06-07 15:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-07 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-07 18:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-06-07 19:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 19:53 ` Glenn Morris
2008-06-07 20:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 20:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-07 21:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-08 2:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-07 21:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-06-07 21:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-08 8:21 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-06-07 21:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-06-07 19:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 19:40 ` David Kastrup
2008-06-07 22:14 ` Nick Roberts
2008-06-07 22:42 ` joakim
2008-06-07 22:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-06-08 2:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-08 2:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-10 10:36 ` use git, not cvs Jim Meyering
2008-06-10 10:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-10 11:00 ` Jim Meyering
2008-06-10 11:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-10 11:08 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-10 11:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-10 11:27 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-10 11:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-06-10 11:34 ` Jim Meyering
2008-06-10 11:20 ` Jim Meyering
2008-06-10 11:26 ` Nick Roberts
2008-06-10 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-07 19:35 ` Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 52, Issue 61 Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 14:20 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-07 14:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-07 19:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 20:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-08 0:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-06-08 0:42 ` David Kastrup
2008-06-07 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-07 19:55 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2008-06-07 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-07 21:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-06-07 22:52 ` Thomas Lord
2008-06-08 0:58 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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