From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:59:53 -0700 Message-ID: <200805041859.m44IxrPx025278@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040206.m4426oct013714@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209927685 24802 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2008 19:01:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 21:02:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsjTD-0002QK-RQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 21:02:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55530 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsjSW-0001GK-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsjSR-0001Fx-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsjSN-0001Fd-Od for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47309 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsjSN-0001Fa-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:01:07 -0400 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsjSH-0002E1-MJ; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:01:02 -0400 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1210532397.09805@C143/xctpunAyp2+W8Rh4w Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m44IxrPx025278; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 04 May 2008 21:17:28 +0300") Original-Lines: 62 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96446 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > From: Dan Nicolaescu > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:58:57 -0700 > > > > Can you please first get all the background before intervening? > > Doing that is absolutely not helpful. > > I am very disappointed, I didn't expect this from you Eli. > > Well, I'm sorry I disappoint you, but I still think that we should be > able to discuss technical issues, even if we disagree, without > non-technical words such as ``whining'' or ``pestering''. I am sorry, but this has not been a technical discussion, and I can't find better words to find describe the treatment that I got from Yamamoto Mituharu and the way he describes the multi-tty work, please actually _read_ his messages. > > And no, someone that has not helped that effort in any way > > (i.e. Yamamoto Mitsuharu), despite being the most qualified person for > > the job, has absolutely no standing to send nastygrams about it today. > > Sorry, but I beg to disagree. As I do with you here, you seem to ignore the details of what has been happening. And the details are actually important. And by doing that you seem to support a point of view that has no basis in reality. > Asking developers to do a good job is a reasonable thing, and anyone > who contributes to Emacs is in a position to do that. This is a true statement, but it has no relation to what is going on here. > As someone who did the job that is being criticized, you can, of > course, disagree, but please let's try not to make this personal. Sorry, but Yamamoto Mitsuharu's comments like: "Did you want to pretend as if multi-tty was ready to get merged to the trunk?" are exactly personal and meant _only_ to discredit me. Let me repeat it for the Nth time: the I did the original work in a limited time because it was done on a borrowed machine. I did not continue the work precisely because Yamamoto Mitsuharu declared that the platform is unsupported. I am sorry, but in this circumstance I don't see why should I take any blame for "not doing a good job"? What would YOU have done if you where in my position? In retrospect, it would have been much better for me to just revert the changes when I heard that the Carbon platform will be unsupported. > > I am puzzled about the motivation to even bring this up today in an > > unrelated discussion. > > Well, I think if you re-read what you just wrote (and I omitted), the > motivation will be clear. Seriously? What is the motivation for statements like: "Did you want to pretend as if multi-tty was ready to get merged to the trunk?"? Again the original discussion was about what is the policy for checking in things on the 22 branch, totally unrelated to ANY of this.