From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Region Highlighting - an improvement over Transient Mark Mode. Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200804011810.m31IAghI007964@jane.dms.auburn.edu> References: <20080401151931.GA6533@muc.de> <20080401174900.GA2260@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207073529 22635 80.91.229.12 (1 Apr 2008 18:12:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: acm@muc.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 01 20:12:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgkyD-0002iy-Tt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:12:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgkxb-0003kE-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgkx4-0003SB-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgkx0-0003Pz-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgkwz-0003Pn-Eq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:13 -0400 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgkwy-0006X8-Vc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:13 -0400 Original-Received: from jane.dms.auburn.edu (jane.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.201]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m31IB8qV023689; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jane.dms.auburn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jane.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31IAhpV007967; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:10:43 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by jane.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m31IAghI007964; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:10:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: jane.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f In-reply-to: <20080401174900.GA2260@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:49:00 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94136 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: But I'm suggesting that the (eq mark-even-if-inactive nil) case be removed, since it's not useful. I have not followed this discussion, so I am not sure I understand the above correctly. I hope that it does _not_ mean that you are suggesting eliminating mark-even-if-inactive completely. Setting mark-even-if-inactive to t by default was a decision made to make transient-mark-mode less annoying to people who do not use it, are not going to use it ever and have no idea whatsoever about why and how people use it. I hope that not to many other changes have been made to t-m-m for that same purpose in this seemingly endless discussion. I have used t-m-m ever since I used Emacs and if I use commands like C-w and friends without having a region highlighted, so without being able to verify what is going to be deleted, there is 100% certainty that I typed C-w inadvertently, so the nice thing to do is to give me an error message rather than to make me pay for my mistyping. So it is bad enough that mark-even-if-inactive was made t by default (a decision I am not going to fight, because I do not have the time to enter in some endless discussion), it should _certainly_ not be _eliminated_. Sincerely, Luc.