From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:00:14 +0100 Organization: GNU's Not UNIX! Message-ID: <200803110100.m2B10DSs007052@localhost.localdomain> References: <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Xavier Maillard NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205199606 27458 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2008 01:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: greg@maptuit.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 02:40:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYtTj-0002w6-Vf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:40:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYtTB-0001Et-NC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYtOs-0006zJ-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:35:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYtOr-0006yM-Et for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYtOr-0006yG-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from master.uucpssh.org ([193.218.105.66]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYtOn-0007FK-60; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:35:25 -0400 Original-Received: by master.uucpssh.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 626A6C751F; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:34:03 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2B10IRK007064; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:00:18 +0100 Original-Received: (from xma@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id m2B10DSs007052; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:00:14 +0100 In-reply-to: <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (message from Dan Nicolaescu on Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:36:04 -0800) User-Agent: Rmail in GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 on GNU/Linux Jabber-ID: xma01@jabber.fr X-uucpssh: Found to be clean X-uucpssh-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.389, required 4.6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-uucpssh-From: xma@gnu.org X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92116 Archived-At: > I'm sure it does save some keystrokes, but there are other important > issues for a default command. iswitchb is, as you say, a "power user" > tool. I don't buy that "power user" argument. It is not dissimilar to the UI that you get nowadays when typing a URL in a browser. Users seem to do just fine with that. Maybe it's time to reconsider what a user knows and does not know nowadays. Agree. Another good example is SMS typing; inaccessible for me but so easy for the "new generations" :) Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org