From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:36:04 -0800 Message-ID: <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205023121 29660 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 00:38:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Gregory Collins , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 01:39:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY9ZE-0007wH-9e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:39:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Yg-0006gV-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Ya-0006bW-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:38:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9YY-0006Ww-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:38:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9YY-0006Wn-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:38:26 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY9YU-00038W-2S; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:38:22 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1205627765.39815@dlsKwkLH3JPsKbkZ3W5DyQ Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m290a4oW020277; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:36:04 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:27:54 +0900") Original-Lines: 24 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91817 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Gregory Collins writes: > >> I don't think this should be the default, not just for C-x b, > >> and not for anything else either. > > > > I think you should try the function out before being so eager to dismiss > > it. Iswitchb-mode (and the very similar ido-mode, which I prefer) can > > save a lot of keystrokes > > I agree that it's good to try stuff out before making a judgement (it's > not hard after all), but I think Richard's spot on. > > I _have_ tried iswitchb (many times actually), and it can be pretty > annoying and confusing, especially when there are tons of buffers. > > I'm sure it does save some keystrokes, but there are other important > issues for a default command. iswitchb is, as you say, a "power user" > tool. I don't buy that "power user" argument. It is not dissimilar to the UI that you get nowadays when typing a URL in a browser. Users seem to do just fine with that. Maybe it's time to reconsider what a user knows and does not know nowadays.