From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:27:55 -0800 Message-ID: <200803090027.m290Runt016854@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803081926.m28JQnGK005206@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803082003.m28K36km022429@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87ejak3hrt.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205022635 28504 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 00:30:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stephen Eglen , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 01:31:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY9RJ-00063q-Ua for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:30:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Ql-0001KY-Tm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Qi-0001KO-Bn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Qf-0001Jz-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Qf-0001Jw-P2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY9QY-00019K-JF; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:30:10 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1205627277.85358@HEnVWwFBMnSFiXT0l0MXGw Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m290Runt016854; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:27:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:04:31 +0100") Original-Lines: 26 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91814 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: > storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > > > Andreas Schwab writes: > > > >> Dan Nicolaescu writes: > >> > >>> That's only if blahblah matches an existing buffer, if it does not, it > >>> will create a new buffer. > >> > >> One more reason not to use it. > > > > With ido-mode, you type C-x b blablabla C-j y RET to create a new buffer. > > I guess it's the same with iswitchb. > > I use scratch buffers quite often, anything that requires more than C-x > b x RET to go to buffer x would not be acceptable for me. The fact that you need to type C-j instead of RET when creating a buffer does not seem such a huge imposition, it if makes selecting buffers much easier for everyone else (assuming we don't find a better solution). Creating non-file backed buffers is not something that is that frequent for most users, and frankly probably not so desirable for newbies (There's so much trouble with the *scratch* buffer anyway...)