From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 22.2 release plans Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:16:55 -0800 Message-ID: <200803061516.m26FGtem012432@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <874pbwvmlv.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ir01krr7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87lk4wena2.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <9g63w0eleu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wsogt80d.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204816703 3976 80.91.229.12 (6 Mar 2008 15:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 16:18:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JXHrU-0006zN-C6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:18:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXHqw-0001xV-Qz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXHqc-0001lz-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXHqa-0001kc-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXHqa-0001kW-0K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:28 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JXHqU-000674-SA; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:23 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1205421417.40855@UuSbukDy7jwnWrR3YznETw Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m26FGtem012432; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87wsogt80d.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:19:14 +0100") Original-Lines: 51 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91493 Archived-At: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > > > Something like this? It should be up near the top (in "Installation > > Changes" or a separate section): > > > > "We plan to discontinue support for some older systems in Emacs 23.1. > > These systems are still supported in Emacs 22.2, but configure will > > not complete without manual intervention. If you encounter one of > > these systems, and believe it should continue to be supported, please > > make your voice known at emacs-devel@gnu.org." > > It still find it confusing: > > If you need "manual intervention" (such as editing the configure > script) to make Emacs 22 compile on a certain platform, then IMO > the system is _not_ supported on Emacs 22. > > So speaking about "plan to discontinue support in 23.1" seems > meaningless when Emacs 22 itself doesn't compile (out of the box) on > that system. > > > So either you discontinue those systems in 22.2, or you make Emacs 22.2 > compile on those systems. > > Breaking "configure" is effective - but IMO not the right place - to > ask people to "make your voice known"... > > My suggestion is that configure simply prints the following blurb > at the END of the configure output - so it is clearly visible > to the target users: > > --------------- WARNING -------------------------------------- > SYSTEM-XXX is considered an potentially obsolete system by the > Emacs development team, so Emacs 22.2 may be the last release > to officially support it. > > Since you still use Emacs on such a system, and you want to > continue using future Emacs versions on it, please make > your voice known to the developers at emacs-devel@gnu.org. > -------------------------------------------------------------- This is nitpicking... The problem with warnings is that using ./configure && make is quite common, so seeing the warning is almost impossible.