From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:58:57 -0800 Message-ID: <200803060358.m263wveh005067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <871w6ou4xb.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204775965 3427 80.91.229.12 (6 Mar 2008 03:59:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 04:59:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JX7Go-0004Ku-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:59:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7GG-0000fC-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7GC-0000es-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7GB-0000e4-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX7GB-0000e1-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:11 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JX7GB-0001jH-51 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:11 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1205380739.29209@ZwD90dFOAm9ZmRRy81F03w Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m263wveh005067; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:58:57 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <871w6ou4xb.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:28:16 +0200") Original-Lines: 46 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91465 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: > > > > - show-paren-mode on by default > > > > > > Never liked it. Is it really that popular? > > > > That's hard to measure, isn't it? In _my_ experience it is. > > Or more likely: blink-matching-open is unpopular, and in general > > blinking cursor is downright hated by many people. > > I always use M-( to insert a balanced pair of open and close > parentheses, so I never see that blink-matching-open jumping cursor. > > When there is a need to see a matching parenthesis, this is possible by > using commands that move point on balanced expressions like forward-sexp. > Even though show-paren-mode doesn't require such point movements, it is > annoying when a matching parenthesis is highlighted in inappropriate > places like e.g. when displaying a group of completions in parenthesis > in the minibuffer, etc. That's a minor disadvantage to the big advantage of easily finding the matching parenthesis. > > > > - flyspell-mode on by default for text-mode > > > > > > I indeed have it on in text-mode (and programming modes as well, as > > > a matter of fact), > > > > Same here. > > > > Another related point: flyspell-prog-mode is even more obscure than > > flyspell. How do we make it's availability more obvious to programmers? > > Like all other features, to make them more available to users, we should > add more commands to the main menu. Most newbies tend using this menu > where they can discover hidden features. Flyspell is pretty well hidden in the Tools / Spell Checking menu. Where would flyspell-prog-mode go? Maybe in the major mode menu? We'd have to add it by hand to all the relevant major modes. Which is doable. But what if a user wants to turn on flyspell-prog-mode by default for all programming languages? The only way to do that now is to add a bunch of `add-hook's in .emacs It would be nice to have a generic solution for all these (no idea what that might be...)