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From: Mike Mattie <codermattie@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:09:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080222150943.5cc9e033@reforged> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mypsoo6k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx>

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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:12:35 +0000
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de> writes:
> 
> >> My point is that there are really two ways of having the active
> >> region highlighted by default: either by setting
> >> transient-mark-mode to t, or by letting C-SPC turn Transient Mark
> >> mode temporarily on.
> >
> > The difference is that in the case of setting transient-mark-mode
> > to t I can still put (transient-mark-mode -1) in my .emacs file to
> > get back the old behavior.  In case of the later "solution" there
> > would be no way to get back the original behavior -- or am I
> > mistaken?
> 
> Since C-@ would be bound to the old C-SPC behavior (only set mark) you
> would be able to set C-SPC back to this old behavior.
> 
> Or you would have a variable deciding whether C-SPC should trigger
> Transient Mark mode temporarily.  
> 

After following a bit of this thread I decided to challenge my assumptions
and strain my brain to come up with scenarios where highlighting is
truly useful.

I was able to dig up several. Ediff is I think the best example. The highlighting
shows precisely what changed, with a higher granularity than a plain context diff.
Simply put I am more effective at finding what I need with the highlighting since
it points me straight to my task, which is analyzing the difference in two buffers.

Another scenario is where I am not sure of my bounds. A good example is active-paren
which I use. When I am not sure of my brace matching placing my cursor on a paren
shows me the scope as long as it's within the viewport.

However when I am trying to delineate a span of text within a buffer a highlight does not
help me at all, because all it does is highlight the middle. My goal in creating a span
is to find the bounds, the middle is obviously implied!

You can try it yourself. Try to mark a region while looking at the highlighted part only.
Your stuck, because it's highlighting were you have been, not where you need to go.
To take paraphrase from Lewis Carrol, it's riding the horse backwards to see where you
have been.

I do see one way that it could be useful though. Often with active-paren when the opening
or closing brace is outside the viewport it degrades to showing the bounded line in the
minibuffer. With any luck this code fragment might pop up the image of where the bound
is in my head.

A useful highlighting would pop up/down some window ala icicles that automatically shrunk
to the required size, and highlighted up to the mark/boundary that was normally outside of
the viewport.

it would be good for active paren, and those cases where you do actually forget where you
dropped a mark. It would have to be on-demand as emacs would go nuts visually during simple
scrolling, but does that at least sounds useful and novel ?

Out of this enormous thread is it possible to invent a highlighting feature that shows me
*what I am looking for*, not what I already found ?

Or maybe rephrased can highlighting tell me what I don't already know ?

Cheers,
Mike Mattie

P.S: forgot isearch. useful highlighting there.

P.P.S: what about changing the arrow keys to move like M-f,M-b ? If I set a mark I probably
want to scoot around for navigation or creating a region. That would be useful.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-22 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-28  7:48 change cursor type when idle Drew Adams
2006-08-28  9:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 15:00   ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 15:30     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:08       ` David Hansen
2006-08-28 16:09       ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 16:21         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:58           ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 21:27             ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-28 23:13               ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-29 20:51                   ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 13:51               ` Mathias Dahl
2006-08-29 13:59                 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:17                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-08-28 21:06       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 21:44   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29  1:18     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-08-29  7:44       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 13:38         ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:24   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11  7:48     ` Drew Adams
2008-02-11 10:11       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-02-13  0:25         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 21:10       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 14:30         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 14:43           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:10             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 15:23               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:20                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:28                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:43                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:12                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:07                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 18:20                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:34                             ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 19:34                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:45                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 18:44                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 20:54                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:19           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 15:35             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:11             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:21               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:27                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-12 16:36                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:55                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 17:45             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 11:52               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 15:45                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 16:04                   ` CUA-mode features and documenation (was: Re: change cursor type when idle) Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 16:23                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 22:45                       ` CUA-mode features and documenation Juri Linkov
2008-02-13 22:59                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 23:18                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  0:01                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-14  0:50                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  0:58                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-14  1:12                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15 17:11                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 13:22                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 18:05                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18 13:44                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-18 15:52                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-17 19:51                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-02-17 22:24                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:30                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 13:48                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-17 13:22                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 16:58                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 18:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-19  8:52                                         ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19  9:38                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-19 19:01                                             ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 20:41                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:43                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 23:45                                                 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-19 23:49                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  0:12                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  0:30                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:49                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  7:48                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:16                                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20  3:49                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20  9:56                                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:32                                                       ` CUA-*mode (was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:27                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20  8:59                                                 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 12:27                                                   ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 12:52                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 13:09                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 14:33                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:11                                                           ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 15:43                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:55                                                       ` David Reitter
2008-02-20 16:04                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 16:27                                                           ` David Reitter
2008-02-21 15:34                                                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-20 16:23                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21  3:52                                                         ` Provide different sets of .emacs [Was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] William Xu
2008-02-21  4:04                                                           ` Provide different sets of .emacs William Xu
2008-02-20 16:14                                                       ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:27                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:21                                                           ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 17:30                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:48                                                               ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 21:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 16:52                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:00                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:58                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 19:30                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-20 20:09                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:41                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:45                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 23:01                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:24                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-22  3:18                                                                   ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                     ` <8e24944a0802212139r2bae3597ke49c5c6da65da445@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-22  5:49                                                                       ` Fwd: " David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:09                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:31                                                                         ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23  1:02                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-23  1:20                                                                         ` Bastien
2008-02-23  9:16                                                                           ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-23  1:17                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-23  5:16                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 10:30                                                                           ` Bastien
2008-02-23 19:29                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:44                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21  9:16                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 14:31                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-22 10:47                                                               ` Bastien
2008-02-22 13:11                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 14:16                                                                   ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-22 14:48                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 18:06                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-22 15:53                                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 18:12                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-22 22:20                                                                         ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-22 23:09                                                                         ` Mike Mattie [this message]
2008-02-23 19:28                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 14:57                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 16:27                                                                 ` Leo
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 22:28                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 17:35                                                       ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 18:04                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 19:02                                                         ` Evans Winner
2008-02-20 21:13                                                           ` Jason Earl
2008-02-20 21:24                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 22:46                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21  7:30                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-02-21 22:29                                                                   ` scroll-restore.el Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 16:11                                                                     ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:32                                                                       ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:41                                                                         ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:51                                                                           ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:26                                                                     ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-20 23:15                                                               ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Jason Earl
2008-02-20 23:30                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21  0:42                                                                   ` Jason Earl
2008-02-21  9:57                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 14:36                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 14:41                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 16:13                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 16:26                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:18                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:38                                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:52                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 21:45                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 22:24                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 17:27                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:25                                                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:59                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:17                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 23:22                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:39                                                                                       ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-21 23:45                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:10                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-22 10:07                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 12:19                                                                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2008-02-22 12:28                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 23:14                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23  0:03                                                                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:14                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-23  8:04                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-23  0:04                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 19:29                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:14                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:21                                                                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:46                                                                                           ` Should M-SPC respect `sentence-end-double-space'? Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:46                                                                                             ` Paul Pogonyshev
2008-02-23  3:23                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:52                                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  3:11                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  3:47                                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  8:33                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 15:47                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 17:01                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28                                                                   ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-03-01 22:15                                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-01 22:40                                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-02  2:56                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:51                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 16:09                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 12:07                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-20 21:15                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 15:55                                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2008-02-22  3:31                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-22 22:57                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:08                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 22:27                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 19:09                                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  0:10                                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:28                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:00                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:01                                                       ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:52                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 22:16                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark " Drew Adams
2008-02-20 22:32                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 22:45                                                               ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  1:09                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21  1:44                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  8:05                                                               ` Sven Joachim
2008-02-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21  1:44                                                               ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  4:56                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 22:28                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 17:46                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28                                                               ` Tentative diagnosis of Transient Mark mode's " Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  8:19                                                             ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21  9:43                                                               ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-02-21 10:54                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:10                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 19:28                                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-21 21:42                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 11:58                                                                     ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-22 14:49                                                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 16:37                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 10:59                                                                 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode by default] Andreas Schwab
2008-02-21 16:55                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:29                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  8:05                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 14:54                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:44                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem Johan Bockgård
2008-02-21 19:21                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 22:38                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2008-02-22  1:51                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21  9:16                                                         ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:34                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-24  0:53                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:27                                                       ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Juri Linkov
2008-02-19  9:48                                           ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] David Kastrup
2008-02-17 18:11                                     ` CUA-mode features and documenation David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-14  1:54                               ` Leo
2008-02-13 22:00                 ` change cursor type when idle Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 13:16                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-15  0:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 19:31           ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:23             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-12 21:42               ` Juri Linkov

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