From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:34:48 -0800 Message-ID: <200802211534.m1LFYmQo025282@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203608258 22933 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 15:37:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Emacs Devel To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 16:38:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSDUk-0006vO-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:37:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSDUE-0003iE-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSDUA-0003i9-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:22 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSDU8-0003hn-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSDU8-0003hk-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:20 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSDU7-0006bJ-Rv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:20 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1204212890.12575@7sxNrtU9rWFX/2mALu7YxQ Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m1LFYmQo025282; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:34:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (David Reitter's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:27:06 +0000") Original-Lines: 33 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89830 Archived-At: David Reitter writes: > On 20 Feb 2008, at 16:04, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > > > Of course. But an experienced user does not *need* for Emacs to agree > > with other apps he uses: he can customize it. The trouble is > > unexperienced users who find themselves with (to them) weird or > > unexpected behavior, and no way to fix it. We can give them familiar > > defaults, or we can send them to RTFM... > > > Absolutely. Despite some 15-20 years experience with computers, I had > no Emacs and no Lisp experience. So I gave up twice until I decided to > bite the bullet and switch to the only editor with Prolog support. It > took me many weeks to customize it to the behavior I was used to from > all my other apps. And even four years later I find myself going nuts > over some things, except that I know now why they're hard to > implement. > > By the way, I found empirically that some 80 percent of all users > (exact figure eludes me now) left the Aquamacs default of opening new > buffers in separate frames turned on. They're happy with it and get on > with their lives. Of course there's a few others, old-time Emacs > users, who don't find the big fat menu option in "Options" to turn > this off, and instead bitch about it on their blogs. But I tend to > look at what the majority wants, even if it might not be the best > solution when ignoring the user's environment (other apps!). That's > why we've got these things switched on. Including variable-width fonts > for all text modes. > > I've never understood what hinders people from providing an "Emacs" > and an "Emacs Classic", which simply differ in their default > configuration. (But I also don't really care any more.)