From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Don Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug trackers Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: <20080218232829.GM5438@volo.donarmstrong.com> References: <20080218052546.GK13020@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203394129 11825 80.91.229.12 (19 Feb 2008 04:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:08:49 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 19 05:09:13 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRJn5-0004Um-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:09:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRJma-0004aF-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:08:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRFPa-0000aj-Iz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:28:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRFPY-0000ZV-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:28:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRFPX-0000Z5-PN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRFPX-0000PA-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m1INSVNh001845 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:28:31 -0800 Original-Received: (from remotemail@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m1INSV5w001844 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:28:31 -0800 Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 3288 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:28:29 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:08:36 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89543 Archived-At: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > It wouldn't be too terribly difficult to set up an instance of debbugs > to allow testing to see if it will work for emacs development. I also > wouldn't mind making changes as required to make it fit in better with > the emacs development model[1] (as debbugs is rather Debian specific > now.) > > Thank you. Please do that; it will be very useful for us. I'll have a chance to finish setting it up in a day or so. [Made a mistake, and my DNS ttl is too long for me to finish it now.] > I expect that any changes which make it more useful for us will also > make it more useful for other programs whose developers talk a lot > by email. > > 1: I don't really know how you all develop emacs, so I would need > significant input on what changes were needed. > > I don't have a vocabulary to describe different "ways" to develop a > program, so I would not know how to answer. Maybe someone else knows > how to answer you more usefully. But I think that if you subscribe > to emacs-devel for a week you'll more or less know the answer. The main issue is that it's set up right now for distributions, where you have thousands of packages and developers all working on their own separate little bits of the system and only release managers care about everything together. What I kind of imagine is that bits of emacs which are relatively separate would end up with their own "package" and this mailing list (or the people responsible?) would be primarily tasked with fixing and resolving them. But that's just my uniformed idea from the start; Manoj is probably the right person to recommend any changes needed, since he knows more about emacs development than I do and has used debbugs extensively. Don Armstrong -- "Because," Fee-5 explained patiently, "I was born in the fifth row. Any fool would understand that, but against stupidity the very Gods themselves contend in vain." -- Alfred Bester _The Computer Connection_ p19 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu