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Buck" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: Tramp 2.0 -> 2.1 migration woes Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:57:12 +1100 Message-ID: <20080128155710.GB2378@Clio.twb.ath.cx> References: <20080127040051.GA16241@Clio.twb.ath.cx> <87sl0jxu4g.fsf@gmx.de> <20080128021310.GA3075@Clio.twb.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1659909273==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201535857 29299 80.91.229.12 (28 Jan 2008 15:57:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, rfrancoise@debian.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 28 16:57:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JJWMq-0000Uv-0I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:57:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJWMP-0002xF-7v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJWML-0002xA-FJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJWMJ-0002wq-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJWMJ-0002wn-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJWMJ-0006UX-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JJWMJ-000235-4f for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJWMG-0006TR-GZ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net ([203.16.214.146]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJWMG-0006Sv-0j for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:57:16 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAP+HnUd5LOnP/2dsb2JhbACBWKlj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,260,1199626200"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="30358450" Original-Received: from ppp121-44-233-207.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net (HELO Clio.twb.ath.cx) ([121.44.233.207]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2008 02:27:12 +1030 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87714 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:20792 Archived-At: --===============1659909273== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 04:32:40PM +0100, Michael Albinus wrote: >> Would it be correct to say that the explicit multi: method was >> removed because other TRAMP changes broke it, and that it will be >> brought back once it's fixed? Or is it gone for good? I would >> (obviously) prefer the former. >=20 > Nope. The internal data structures have changed significantly, there > is no easy way to get this syntax back. Darn. Whenever I get used to something it goes and changes on me :-) > > Well, personally I prefer a single complex prompt like [...] to a > > long series of simple prompts [...] mainly because I find it > > easier to copy/paste or M-p (previous-history-element) a single > > prompt than to do it repeatedly for several prompts. >=20 > Hmm. Then we have conflicting requirements. Reiner's intention was to > guide the novice user ... maybe we need indeed two kinds of interactive > guidance. In your case, something like this could be done: >=20 > Where do you want to go? /sudo:leek: RET > Which proxy is in front of it? /ssh:twb@leek: RET > Which proxy is in front of it? /ssh:twb@foo: RET > Which proxy is in front of it? RET > Do you want to add it permanently [Y/n]? n RET >=20 > =3D> Added to `tramp-default-proxies-alist' temporarily: > (("leek" "root" "/ssh:twb@leek:") > ("leek" "twb" "/ssh:twb@foo:")) I think I could learn to tolerate that amount of prompting... one thing to consider is what happens if I mess up the multihop (proxy) sequence because e.g. the notes the other sysadmin gave me are out of date. Would I have to manually remove the entries from tramp-default-proxies-alist? I'm also not sure that middling to complicated proxying arrangements can even be set up with the current tramp-default-proxies-alist. For example, suppose a host allows ssh from anywhere, but locks down its internal staff-only FTP upload area to sites on the corporate subnet? You'd need to have the /ftp:appdev:/incoming use an /ssh:gw: proxy, but /ssh:appdev: should not use any proxy (although it would still work with one, it would just waste gw's bandwidth). --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHnftWLpef9iTtxAYRAoc7AKCVwjUMza23snI+vIh1cQmHR05dLgCdHSSZ pOzRA+ct82B22HKc4l/06sI= =vQwa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- --===============1659909273== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============1659909273==--