From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:29:23 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080102122923.GG17588@thyrsus.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231131129.GA2737@muc.de> <20071231152509.GC8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101203433.GG3830@muc.de> <20080101205757.GB11934@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199276966 6102 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 12:29:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 13:29:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JA2j7-0001Lp-36 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:29:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA2ik-0002Hr-QA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:29:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA2ig-0002Gx-RW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA2if-0002Gl-PN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA2if-0002Gi-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:29:13 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JA2ib-0002hX-VT; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:29:10 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 76854830B84; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:29:23 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85888 Archived-At: Richard Stallman : > You do gradually gain status by being available when you're needed. And > you do lose influence when you're not around for a while. But there's > no cliquishness about it -- all you have to do to have a place in the > discussion is show up, really. > > I'd prefer a culture in which status comes from being willing and > able to do the hard jobs. It sounds like that is a reason to mainly > stick to email. Did you miss the bit where I talked about going from n00b to senior dev in four months because I pitched in and did a lot of hard work? You can have a place in the discussion just by showing up. But you only develop authority by taking responsibility. That has not changed, nor is it likely to. -- Eric S. Raymond