From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?q?R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Apropos newbies Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:34:10 +0200 Message-ID: <200710211634.10949.andreas.roehler@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1192976936 20964 80.91.229.12 (21 Oct 2007 14:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 21 16:28:56 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IjbnT-0002CJ-4r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:28:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjbnL-0000bG-7I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:28:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjbnG-0000Yj-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjbnC-0000ST-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjbnC-0000S5-EI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:28:38 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.188]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjbnB-0006C9-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from noname (p54BE9FF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.159.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1Ijbn63Rqp-0006Wt; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:28:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Content-Disposition: inline X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WR0OTB85Lqvoe9lzPzoLv+EGtRnI3sUdqGPC ZplYEs3rJEDDWwnYRbvXHtF7ImblD+Bs75B8qhsrmahVyzMKTM qI8sYD38OVKAjjkEV9n1Q== X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81368 Archived-At: As the question of newbies has been raised: I suggest a little change of=20 Emacs' didactic: away from presenting keys first and somehow as the main issue of Emacs (even if it might be true to some extend later) towards a more mnemonic command/function lecturing approach. This pertains to the manuals too. Even if not urgent to rewrite it now, I suggest to say "The command `next-line' (`C-n') instead of "The command `C-n' (`next-line') for example. With completion in minibuffer, which every novice should learn first, hundreds and thousands commands are called via M-x with reasonable speed, whereas learning all the keys of them might be a live-long and sometimes futile task. Thanks Andreas R=F6hler