From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Manual policy (Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 44, Issue 65) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:44:19 -0400 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20071010214419.GA1297@thyrsus.com> References: <20071010211743.5104873931@grelber.thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1192052649 30822 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2007 21:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 10 23:44:08 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IfjLQ-0002z4-8a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:43:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfjLK-0004uq-FB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfjLF-0004sw-Gp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfjLD-0004rp-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfjLD-0004rU-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -0400 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfjLD-0005Bm-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -0400 Original-Received: by snark (Postfix, from userid 23) id 5AD313807B; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071010211743.5104873931@grelber.thyrsus.com> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80549 Archived-At: From: Jason Rumney > Subject: Re: Policy issue in the VC manual -- recommending CVS?!? > To: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Message-ID: <470D40AA.6020400@gnu.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Recommending GNU arch is dubious considering Arch's poorly-maintained > > and poorly-documented state. If I'm not mistaken, Arch has been > > effectively moribund since about 2003. > > > > I think you're mistaken. Savannah lists the last release as July last year. So it's only been over a year since the last point release. I'm not hugely reassured. > > Recommending CVS is well beyond dubious into outright ridiculous. > > Like it or not, CVS is stable, and widely used. Its "problems" are > widely exaggerated by adherents to the latest wave of version control > religions. Er. I've been using VCSes since the days when SCCS was the only one in existence. The fact that I still cheerfully use RCS, the second one ever built, makes me pretty bulletproof against charges of version-control faddism. But file-oriented VCSes just plain suck for distributed projects, and there's no way to make them not suck. > > No recommendations at all would be better than these. Who decides > > what the manual recommends? If it's "the last person to care", I'm > > going to nuke these in a nanosecond. > Arch is part of GNU Please tell me you're not implying that we should recommend an inferior GPLed tool over a superior one just because the inferior is distributed from an FSF server. That would be taking political jaundice to an absurd extreme. -- Eric S. Raymond