From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menubar on text only terminals Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:37:28 +0300 Message-ID: <20070402073727.GA5284@kobe.laptop> References: <17934.2504.477668.354102@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17934.54358.129732.694345@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <20070402021343.GA2989@kobe.laptop> <17936.36075.282286.535939@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <20070402065536.GA4779@kobe.laptop> <86abxrck6c.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175499511 15644 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2007 07:38:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 02 09:38:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HYH7Q-0006YP-Md for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:38:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYHAQ-00062D-UE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYHAO-00061y-Nl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYHAM-00061k-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYHAM-00061h-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:41:26 -0400 Original-Received: from igloo.linux.gr ([62.1.205.36]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYH7J-0000rV-UV; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:38:18 -0400 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l327bmD6005554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:37:54 +0300 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l327bSef005308; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:37:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Original-Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l327bSRF005307; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:37:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86abxrck6c.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.518, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:68925 Archived-At: On 2007-04-02 09:25, David Kastrup wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas writes: >>> I'm not familiar with Elinks but if it works as well as you >>> say, perhaps, ATR it would a good idea to redesign Emacs text >>> mode menubar along the same lines. >> >> This is a good idea, IMHO. >> >> Maybe we can aim for making something like this available for >> Emacs 23, and make it also possible to switch between two 'modes' >> for accessing the menu. The current completion-based mode, and >> something that resembles elinks :) > > tmm is not really helpful in most cases since it requires refocusing > one's attention all the time. It is possible that it may work better > with screen readers and/or Emacspeak, but I doubt it. I think I > remember someone blind actually being using X11 since the screen > readers get along with it reasonably well. > > I think that the MSDOS port has a more traditional text menu (which > closely resembles the graphical menus by appearing in-place). > > It would probably be better to port that functionality to text > terminals in general before thinking about what to do with toolbars: I > don't think that many people consider tmm a good idea. And it > certainly is a good hint that for MSDOS, one of the few console-only > parts, someone went to the pain to implement something else. Right. This 'in place' appearance of menu entries is what elinks does, and what I was referring to above :)