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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@Oracle.com>
Cc: Emacs-Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: constant `e'
Date: 10 Feb 2007 10:02:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070210101700.GA885@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BDEIJAFNGDOAGCJIPKPBMEIOCCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

Hi, Drew!

On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:37:36PM -0800, Drew Adams wrote:
> A minor whine - ignore if you don't agree.

No such luck!

> Single-character global variables are generally not such a great idea.
> In particular, they can easily occur as typographical errors and not be
> detected for a while.

Has this happened to you?

> The variable `e', defined in `float-sup.el', has been around for a long
> time, but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to give it a different name
> in Emacs, because of the possibility of `e' occurring as a typo.

e has been around for several hundred years.  It is known by that name
universally in European language cultures.  Anybody who understands its
concept instantly recognises its one-letter name, just as any hacker
recognises the name C.  Has e ever been known to mathematicians by any
other name?  So no, in my humble opinion, it would not be a good idea to
give it a new name.

> `t' is similar, of course, but `t' as a typo is less surprising for
> anyone at all used to Lisp. `e' as a numerical constant is not used in
> most Emacs-Lisp code, so it is more likely that someone might be
> surprised by the effect of an `e' typo (once discovered).

If e were to be renamed, how would anybody find out it exists?  Who would
remember the new name?

> The position of `e' on many keyboards also makes it easy to hit when
> you mean to hit a numeral key such as `3', and, unlike `t', the type of
> `e' is numeric, so the value mismatch won't always lead to a type
> mismatch that might make the error more apparent.

Come on, Drew - post the error you made or came across, please!

> There are many other one-letter physical and mathematical constants.
> Fortunately, their names are not used as the names of Emacs constants
> and variables. `e' seems to be the exception. Even a two-letter name,
> such as `pi', is much, much less error prone than a one-letter name.

Despite being a maths graduate, I can't think of any other such constants
with anything like the universality of e and pi.

[ .... ]

> The best joke is not that self-referencing comment, but the fun someone
> would have trying to find all occurrences of variable `e' in the
> existing code, ....

Something like
"^\([^e;\]\|\\.\|[a-zA-Z_-]e\|e[a-zA-Z_-]\)*e\([^a-zA-Z_-]\|$\)"
(fully untested), would find them easily enough.

> .... to rename them (and debugging missed or inappropriate renamings).
> Undefining it and seeing what happens would be one approach...
> Obviously not something to attempt before the release, in any case. ;-)

I don't think there would be that many to find.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Ittersbach, Germany)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-02-10  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-09  7:37 constant `e' Drew Adams
2007-02-09  9:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-02-09 11:24   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-09 15:08   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-09 15:19     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-02-09 15:34       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-10 17:40       ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-09 18:33     ` Jay Belanger
2007-02-09 18:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-09 14:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-09 14:32   ` Leo
2007-02-09 23:11     ` Kim F. Storm
2007-02-10  0:16       ` Drew Adams
2007-02-12 18:11         ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-02-10 17:39     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-09 14:37   ` David Kastrup
2007-02-10 17:39     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-09 15:33   ` Drew Adams
2007-02-09 16:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-02-09 16:50       ` Drew Adams
2007-02-10  9:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-02-09 23:07   ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-02-10 17:39     ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-10 18:41     ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2007-02-10 21:12       ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-02-10  9:29   ` Kevin Rodgers
2007-02-10 19:13     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-10 19:22       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-02-10 19:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-10 20:32           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-02-12  5:04             ` Kevin Rodgers
2007-02-12 16:06               ` Drew Adams
2007-02-10  6:27 ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10  8:59   ` David Kastrup
2007-02-10 11:35     ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 12:01       ` David Kastrup
2007-02-10 12:42         ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 12:43       ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-02-10 14:33         ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 18:05           ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-02-10 18:29             ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-12 19:03           ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-02-12 19:57             ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 17:38         ` David Kastrup
2007-02-10 18:15           ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-12 18:51           ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-02-10 19:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-10 20:48         ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 21:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-11  9:42           ` David Kastrup
2007-02-11 17:53             ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-10 21:34       ` Edward O'Connor
2007-02-12 19:17       ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-02-12 20:37         ` Daniel Brockman
2007-02-12 20:40           ` David Kastrup
2007-02-10 17:41   ` Richard Stallman
2007-02-10  9:02 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2007-02-10  9:51   ` Jason Rumney
2007-02-12 18:16     ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-02-10 15:13   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-02-10 19:12   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-02-11  0:43   ` David Hansen
2007-02-11  1:13     ` Jay Belanger
2007-02-11  1:24   ` Drew Adams
2007-02-10 18:53 ` Chong Yidong
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-13  2:34 djh
2007-02-13  8:23 ` Werner LEMBERG

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