From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yotam Medini =?UTF-8?B?15nXldeq150g157Xk9eZ16DXmQ==?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Hebrew xlation of Emacs tutorial Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: <20070202172551.3a25b37f.yotam.medini@gmail.com> References: <20070202014816.c691bb82.yotam.medini@gmail.com> Reply-To: Yotam Medini NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170440259 14410 80.91.229.12 (2 Feb 2007 18:17:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 19:17:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HD2yQ-0003bW-VJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:17:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD2yQ-0000FZ-EC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:17:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD0DW-0003br-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:20:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HD0DS-0003bZ-HS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:20:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HD0DS-0003bW-BT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:20:42 -0500 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HD0DR-0006j1-RT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:20:42 -0500 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so886112ugf for ; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=shmVwITra1JFPFuboaK6d5JHE7nVrxBr33bZc7m8ifewKIW8YmjWnUs/KnuBaVRE4z0H6o4EymfsqfmeJLBAIZmKKEZ9EhsDTeUI1NhuoeGe7qcTKaqRFIIhS4PN98WSIkYZsh2CLuvYcQZnoDCWebo6LzZXqQeL3o6yULYY/eg= Original-Received: by 10.67.117.2 with SMTP id u2mr4525156ugm.1170429640907; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from durini.medini.gnx ( [87.69.66.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2sm4465709ugf.2007.02.02.07.20.33; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.4 (GTK+ 2.8.18; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:17:05 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65785 Archived-At: On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:13:16 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:48:16 +0200 > > From: Yotam Medini > > > > Should someone would volunteer to make a Hebrew translation > > of the Emacs tutorial, how can that be coordinated? > > I don't see any sense in having a Hebrew translation of the tutorial > as long as Emacs cannot display Hebrew text in a reasonably correct > way. While Emacs cannot display Hebrew text right, the TUTORIAL.he can be converted to visual order. I understand that Emacs tutorial in Hebrew will be much more important once full Bidi support will be released. Still, there is small young Linux community, that can use Emacs to edit scripts and configuration files in Gnu/Linux. I teach a small class of kids Python programming on Gnu/Linux. The kids' English is poor. They understand enough, so they can type simple code - using English letters of course. As part of the course, I teach them basic Emacs usage. I wish I could refer them to a tutorial. So my thinking of the tutorial translation, is to explain in Hebrew how to do English text editing. May be there is also a chicken & egg situation here. The very fact that there are too few young Emacs users who understand Hebrew, is the reason that there are not enough people who can bring Bidi support in Emacs to life.