From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:53:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060719095300.GA2467@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3vepuqqmp.fsf@chenla.org>
Hi, Brad!
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 09:23:42AM +0700, Brad Collins wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> > Yes, but surely not all. Might it still be that in poorer countries
> > there are newbies with PCs of insufficient power to support X?
> These comments are a bit off topic -- but I would like to address the
> myth that third world countries are full of ancient computers which
> can only run CLI environments.
Off topic they might be, but they're the most interesting to appear in
this list for some time (IMAO).
[ Information about infrastructure snipped, but read with interest. ]
> In much of the rural parts of the Far East, I can safely say that the
> oft repeated myth that people in third-world countries only have
> access to old technology, ancient hardware and software is just not
> true.
OK. Thanks very much for the hard information.
> A PC in the third-world needs to operate in places with no air
> conditioning, ungrounded electrical connections, dust during the dry
> season, high humidity in the rainy season and are assaulted by vast
> numbers of crawling and flying insects in all seasons.
So you see even more bugs than we do. ;-)
> Computers don't last long in those conditions, so you don't see any old
> hardware and the only new hardware anyone makes today is designed to
> run MS products.
OK.
> I think it's safe to say that the vast number of people even in poor
> countries will learn how to use a mouse before they learn emacs or
> info.
OK.
> That said -- I learned emacs over a telnet connection, and when I train
> people to use emacs (most of our inhouse development tools are emacs
> applications) I encourage them to spend the first month learning emacs
> by running it -nw in a shell window. It's a bit severe, but it helps
> force people to learn to use the keyboard and not avoid the learning
> curve. After a month, most people are comfortable enough with the
> keyboard that they don't feel the need to use the mouse much when they
> switch over to x.
Excellent!
> I also don't like the term shortcut, it carries with it the idea that
> it is not the recommended way to use the application and has only been
> tacked on as an afterthought to appease "power users".
Heh! We're not so easily appeased. ;-)
Again, thanks very much for the real data.
> Brad Collins <brad@chenla.org>, Bankwao, Thailand
--
Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany)
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Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-15 14:44 Info tutorial is out of date Drew Adams
2006-07-15 15:04 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-15 17:07 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:06 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 23:10 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-21 1:11 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-15 17:46 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 8:29 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-16 18:51 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 22:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-15 22:56 ` martin rudalics
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-15 23:41 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 0:26 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 6:23 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:49 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-16 18:42 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 19:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-16 20:13 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 20:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 19:35 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 22:16 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-17 3:54 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17 5:07 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 3:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 4:40 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18 5:03 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 15:00 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 4:20 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18 2:03 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-19 3:18 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-17 16:06 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 17:03 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 17:11 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 13:21 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-20 19:03 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 22:41 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <87k66devap.fsf_-_@hans.local.net>
2006-07-16 20:28 ` Info tutorial is out of date; mouse usage David Kastrup
2006-07-16 21:13 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 9:08 ` Info tutorial is out of date Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:44 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 22:28 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-16 23:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 22:57 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 1:07 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 9:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 12:49 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-17 8:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18 2:29 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18 4:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 7:03 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 15:00 ` "shortcut" Richard Stallman
2006-07-19 3:35 ` Info tutorial is out of date Miles Bader
2006-07-17 1:40 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 2:16 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 9:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 12:25 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-07-17 14:37 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 14:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 9:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18 15:28 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 16:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:39 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:06 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:34 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-17 16:37 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19 2:23 ` Brad Collins
2006-07-19 9:53 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2006-07-19 14:38 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 12:48 ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-18 0:12 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 13:39 ` David Hansen
2006-07-16 2:16 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2006-07-16 17:30 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33 ` Drew Adams
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