From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: facemenu-unlisted-faces Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:00:52 +0000 Message-ID: <20060713100052.GB4203@www.trapp.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2111828836==" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1152785087 17311 80.91.229.2 (13 Jul 2006 10:04:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 13 12:04:46 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0y3d-0006vI-SH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:04:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0y3d-0001GM-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G0y3P-0001G8-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G0y3M-0001ES-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0y3M-0001EP-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [217.22.192.104] (helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G0y55-0005YC-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from www.elogos.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.elogos.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7404BB0A; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 4000) id 898264BB0B; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: Sascha Wilde In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:56968 Archived-At: --===============2111828836== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k" Content-Disposition: inline --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:14:17AM +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote: > "Drew Adams" wrote: >=20 > I haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if what I'm > going to write is redundant... >=20 > [...] > > FWIW - I never argued that anything should be bulletproof or that anyth= ing > > shouldn't be changeable. My argument was that applying a text property = (such > > as boldness) to text is conceptually simpler and closer to what newbies= are > > used to than is applying a face to text. That's all. >=20 > I think I'm getting your point and I think you are right, that that's > the way many (most?) people do WYSIWYG text formatting these days. > But I also think, that this is the wrong way to do it, and that we > shouldn't encourage it in any way. >=20 > Edited text should be marked up semantically, not by means of concrete > visual properties. [further arguments towards this elided] FWIW, modern text programs (yes, even the one with the "W" on its name) all try to coax the user into a more semantical markup. So yes, I think it makes sense to try to seduce users into that way of thinking. Making "visual markup" *the* obvious choice seems to be the wrong way. regards -- tom=E1s --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEthnUBcgs9XrR2kYRApmTAJ49MFB57hPXlOKn0a4PHDmmdWzuoACfZH+L Lot/ILm2QeaM3KD5az3MDOI= =/dTo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k-- --===============2111828836== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============2111828836==--