From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: commands invoked by the mouse -> commands invoked from the menu bar Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200605142047.k4EKl3pT009527@jane.dms.auburn.edu> References: <446605F9.6020504@student.lu.se> <200605132053.k4DKrMo8006882@jane.dms.auburn.edu> <44667E31.5000609@student.lu.se> <200605140101.k4E11Zfr007334@jane.dms.auburn.edu> <446727A6.5020701@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1147639711 30197 80.91.229.2 (14 May 2006 20:48:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 14 22:48:30 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfNVp-0001YC-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 22:48:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfNVp-0008TY-12 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:48:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FfNVa-0008NG-Jt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:48:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FfNVZ-0008Jv-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:48:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfNVZ-0008Jp-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:48:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfNXp-00058W-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:50:29 -0400 Original-Received: from jane.dms.auburn.edu (jane.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.201]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKm8UO008526; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from jane.dms.auburn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jane.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4EKl3kJ009530; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by jane.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EKl3pT009527; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:47:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: jane.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se In-reply-to: <446727A6.5020701@student.lu.se> (message from Lennart Borgman on Sun, 14 May 2006 14:50:46 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54462 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman wrote: > If somebody invokes the menu bar from the keyboard, with the regular > mouse based menu bar interface available, then it would seem to me > that this user clearly indicates that he does not want to have > anything to do with a mouse, through preference or necessity. If he > dislikes "classical" menu bars, how likely is he to like File > Selection dialogs? > I am not sure what you mean here Luc. I was under the impression that using File Dialog boxes without the mouse was inconvenient. But I do not use File Dialog boxes often, so maybe it is not that inconvenient once you are used to it. In that case, this particular argument would not make a lot of sense. But there is another argument. The rule that if you invoke something with the mouse, you get a file dialog box and if you invoke something with the keyboard, you get to use the minibuffer is easy to understand and remember and you can override at least part of that using the options use-dialog-box and use-file-dialog. The alternative would be somewhat more complex to document and remember. If you invoke the menu from the keyboard, you get the minibuffer in `emacs -nw' and a file dialog otherwise. To me, this is no big deal however. Sincerely, Luc.