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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: ttn@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unquoted special characters in regexps
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:32:27 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603051532.k25FWR011484@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <440AC722.7020009@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:10:26 +0100)

Martin Rudalics wrote:

   Luc Teirlinck wrote:
    > If you consider in "[a]b]" the first and the second `]' to be _both_
    > inside or _both_ outside the context of a character alternative, then
    > it would be impossible to determine solely from that notion of context
    > which of the two `]' has to be taken literally.

   That's what I don't get tired of saying for one week already.  You
   always denied it by saying things like

       The special meaning of `]' inside a character alternative is
       obviously to close that alternative.

   and

       `]' has the special meaning of closing a character alternative
       _inside_ a character alternative

Look, I am getting tired of this endless yes-no discussion.  But you
have completely misunderstood everything I have been saying.  Let me
try once more to explain.

Figuring out whether a `]' has to be taken literally or not is a
completely trivial problem, but you are making it difficult on
yourself for counterproductive philosophical reasons.

Start at the beginning of the regexp.  `[' is special, `]' not,
because we are outside a character alternative.  After the first
unquoted `[' is read, which is special because it was typed outside a
character alternative, we are inside a character alternative. `[' is
no longer special, but `]' is (except immediately after the `[' or
"[^"), because we now are inside a character alternative.  After the
next `]' is read, which is special because it was typed inside a
character alternative, we are back outside a character alternative,
`[' is special, `]' not. To summarize, `]' is only special in a
character alternative, `[' is only special outside one.

Note how easy this is.  Unlike for, say \\( you do not even have to
keep track of which `[' matches which `]', because there is no
nesting.  All you need to keep track of is whether you are inside or
outside a character alternative.

You are making things difficult by treating `[' and `]' in regexps as
if they had the usual open-close parentheses syntax, like \\( and \\).
They do *not* and that is the cause of all your misunderstandings.  In
"[1[2]3]" the first `]' closes the first `[' and "balance" makes no
sense for the other `[' and `]'.  If `[' and `]' had the usual open-close
parentheses syntax, the 2 would be inside a nested character
alternative, two levels deep.  But there is no such thing as nested
character alternatives, because, in regexps, `[' and `]' do not have
the usual open-close parentheses syntax (unlike, say, in Lisp vectors).

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-05 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-25 17:23 Unquoted special characters in regexps martin rudalics
2006-02-25 18:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-25 19:18   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 19:31     ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-25 20:18       ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:09         ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 11:32           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 11:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 13:28               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:13         ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 13:13           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 13:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 16:41               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 17:53                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 18:22                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 19:26                     ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:10               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:42                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 19:06                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:56                 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 19:08                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 19:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-27 19:36                       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-27 20:03                         ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 20:32                           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-27 21:43                             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 22:11                               ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-28  6:19                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-28 10:28                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28  0:30                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-28 10:27                         ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28 22:57                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-01 13:00                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-01 17:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-02  4:06                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-02 19:43                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-02  4:54                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-02 18:40                           ` martin rudalics
2006-03-02 23:26                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03  7:42                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 13:51                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 14:09                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 18:52                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 22:41                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 23:00                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 10:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 15:20                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-04 13:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-04 14:40                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-06  0:48                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 10:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 15:51                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 23:48                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-04  9:58                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-04 23:16                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05  2:54                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06  0:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-28  0:44                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-04 21:07                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-03-05  3:37                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05 11:10                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 15:32                               ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2006-03-06  7:41                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 17:04                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05 11:54                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 15:35                               ` Andreas Schwab
2006-03-06  8:19                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 18:36                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05 19:14                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06  8:17                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28  0:59                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06 12:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-07  5:52                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-07  8:53                             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:34         ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-25 22:59           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 13:20           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 16:53             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 18:01               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:19             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 18:13               ` martin rudalics

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