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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unquoted special characters in regexps
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:37:53 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603050337.k253brP03395@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jkmzg5rkai.fsf@glug.org> (message from Thien-Thi Nguyen on 04 Mar 2006 16:07:17 -0500)

Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote:
   
   whether or not the delimiter itself is considered inside or outside
   depends on whether your pov tends to be forward- or backward-looking
   (which is a personal choice, and thus, algorithmically irrelevent).

No, both the notion of context and the forward-looking view are
algorithmically _very_ relevant.

If you consider in "[a]b]" the first and the second `]' to be _both_
inside or _both_ outside the context of a character alternative, then
it would be impossible to determine solely from that notion of context
which of the two `]' has to be taken literally.  If you consider the
opening and ending " of a string to be _both_ inside or _both_ outside
the context of a string, then it would be impossible from that notion
of context to determine which " open and which " close strings.

Thus any such notions of context are useless.

On the other hand the regexp compiler uses the notion
of context I mentioned to determine which `[' or `]' are to be
interpreted literally.  It is also how other parsers determine which "
open strings and which close them.  Hence, that notion of context is
useful, in fact, necessary.

Also, forward and backward views of a regexp are not
algorithmically equivalent.  If you read a regexp forward, you know
immediately when you encounter a character whether it has to be taken
literally or not (or at worst after a _very_ limited number of
characters, as the second `[' in in "[[:...").  If you read the regexp
backward, you may have to read all the way back to the beginning
before you can be sure that a `]' is to be taken literally.
 
Hence, reading a regexp forward _is_ algorithmically _very_ superior
over reading it backward if your purpose is to understand the regexp.
I must admit however, that if you want is to uncover the subliminal
satanic messages in the regexp, then you _have_ to read it backward.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-05  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-25 17:23 Unquoted special characters in regexps martin rudalics
2006-02-25 18:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-25 19:18   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 19:31     ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-25 20:18       ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:09         ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 11:32           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 11:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 13:28               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:13         ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 13:13           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 13:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 16:41               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 17:53                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 18:22                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 19:26                     ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:10               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:42                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 19:06                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:56                 ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 19:08                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 19:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-27 19:36                       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-27 20:03                         ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 20:32                           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-27 21:43                             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-27 22:11                               ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-28  6:19                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-28 10:28                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28  0:30                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-28 10:27                         ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28 22:57                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-01 13:00                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-01 17:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-02  4:06                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-02 19:43                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-02  4:54                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-02 18:40                           ` martin rudalics
2006-03-02 23:26                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03  7:42                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 13:51                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 14:09                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 18:52                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 22:41                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 23:00                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-03 10:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 15:20                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-04 13:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-04 14:40                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-06  0:48                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 10:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-03 15:51                               ` martin rudalics
2006-03-03 23:48                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-04  9:58                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-03-04 23:16                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05  2:54                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06  0:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-28  0:44                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-04 21:07                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-03-05  3:37                           ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2006-03-05 11:10                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 15:32                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06  7:41                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 17:04                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05 11:54                             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 15:35                               ` Andreas Schwab
2006-03-06  8:19                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-03-05 18:36                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-05 19:14                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06  8:17                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-28  0:59                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-06 12:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-07  5:52                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-03-07  8:53                             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-25 22:34         ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-25 22:59           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-02-26 13:20           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 16:53             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 18:01               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-26 17:19             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-02-26 18:13               ` martin rudalics

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