From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Pogonyshev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:00:34 +0200 Message-ID: <200512170000.34354.pogonyshev@gmx.net> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <43A079D9.3080409@swipnet.se> <87oe3g7qgv.fsf@marant.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134773852 25700 80.91.229.2 (16 Dec 2005 22:57:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jan =?utf-8?q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , =?utf-8?q?J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me_Marant?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 16 23:57:22 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnOTu-0006sJ-A1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:55:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnOUc-0006yK-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:56:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNfQ-0003uM-5d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:03:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNfO-0003tk-Dm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNfO-0003te-6M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:03:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnNhs-0006jy-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:05:40 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2005 22:02:19 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (EHLO [194.158.219.201]) [194.158.219.201] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2005 23:02:19 +0100 X-Authenticated: #16844820 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 In-Reply-To: <87oe3g7qgv.fsf@marant.org> Content-Disposition: inline X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47910 Archived-At: J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Marant wrote: > Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: >=20 > > J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Marant wrote: > > > >> I'm ashamed I have to ask such simple questions but the previous file > >> selector was much more intuitive. > > > > You are not alone in thinking that. The GTK 2 file chooser has always > > been controversial, but it is quite like the Mac OSX one > > (functionality wise). The problem is that features like this are more > > or less hidden to a user who don't hang around mailing lists like this > > :-) >=20 > BTW, I noticed that Firefox, which is linked against the same gtk version > as Emacs on my system, uses a different file selector. It looks like the > previous one, if I recall correctly. Is the old file selector still > around in the current gtk? Or maybe did they re-code it? No, it is a completely different file chooser (just checked, at least in 1.0), I guess it is the same in all/most Firefox variants, regardless of backend. BTW, Firefox GUI, in my opinion, is generally much worse than that of GNOME/GTK+ standards-conforming applications, e.g. font selection is atrocious. Old GTK+ file selector is deprecated but not removed (probably not until GTK+ 3.0 or something), see GtkFileSelection widget. I ranted on GTK+ mailing list about the new file chooser too. It was pretty unusable in 2.4, but in 2.6 it is already quite good, though I still like the old one a little better in terms of keyboard usability. However, I agree with GTK+ developers that for a common user the new file chooser is much more convenient and intuitive. Paul