From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: fancy-splash-screen customize group... Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:21:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200512101521.jBAFLSx17656@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200512082134.jB8LYk2K018733@brains.moreideas.ca> <4399C196.9030403@student.lu.se> <439AE865.7010801@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134228303 27805 80.91.229.2 (10 Dec 2005 15:25:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs@whaite.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 10 16:25:01 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El6al-00034t-6J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:24:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El6b9-0004kE-BU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:25:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El6ZL-0004hy-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:23:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El6ZH-0004ge-EV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:23:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El6ZG-0004gK-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:23:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El6ae-000321-9Q; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:24:48 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBAFMu1F024967; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:22:56 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id jBAFLSx17656; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:21:28 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se In-reply-to: <439AE865.7010801@student.lu.se> (message from Lennart Borgman on Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:38:29 +0100) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.1 (manatee.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.104]); Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:22:56 -0600 (CST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47392 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman wrote: I do not understand why they are wasteful, but I have added some more information which I believe is useful. Useful to make the node longer and hence get around Richard's objection? `customize-apropos' is _already_ described under `(emacs)Specific Customization', where it belongs. Your node just duplicates stuff. Space in the Emacs manual is at a premium. With the same amount of space you want to add one could document useful additional features. Maybe customize-apropos should prompt for searching just options, faces or groups? No, one should avoid unnecessary prompts. One could list the customize-apropos-* commands in a short sentence in the detailed description of customize-apropos (rather than in the @item as you proposed), but I believe that Richard objects against any amount of space for them. (But I may be misunderstanding this.) In as far as finding options is concerned, the best way to find options is customize-browse. _That_ is the one we should emphasize. I have used it since Custom was first included with Emacs and have never had trouble finding options _except_ when there was trouble with the individual option: bad group, unclear name, unclear documentation. (As in the case which started this thread before it went off on a completely unrelated tangent.) Sincerely, Luc.