From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de (Tomas Zerolo) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:26:55 +0100 Message-ID: <20051127052655.GB11158@www.trapp.net> References: <200511222150.54248.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200511260033.24103.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <17287.37836.149968.626472@parhasard.net> <200511261843.06685.pogonyshev@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1315112547==" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1133069588 7440 80.91.229.2 (27 Nov 2005 05:33:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 05:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Aidan Kehoe , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 27 06:32:59 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EgF86-00006M-Jc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:31:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EgF85-00059A-SL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:31:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EgF7s-000593-7T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:31:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EgF7q-000585-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:30:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EgF7q-000582-Fj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:30:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.22.192.104] (helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EgF7q-0007lj-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:30:58 -0500 Original-Received: from www.elogos.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.elogos.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56EADADD5; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:26:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 4000) id DEBD9DB064; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:26:55 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Paul Pogonyshev In-Reply-To: <200511261843.06685.pogonyshev@gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46645 Archived-At: --===============1315112547== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD" Content-Disposition: inline --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 06:43:06PM +0200, Paul Pogonyshev wrote: > Aidan Kehoe wrote: [...] > > Recent betas of XEmacs do. Not to do it is expected behaviour, when you > > think of it; it would be reasonable to bind M-Cyrillic_tse to something > > different to M-x, if both were available on the keyboard.=20 >=20 > Yeah, and then I'd have to remember if I'm typing in Russian or in English > and press different key combos in different layouts to say delete a word. >=20 > I don't mind if they are configurable in different layouts even if I cons= ider > it an overkill. But Emacs has some hundreds of actively used key combina= tions, > do you suggest I rebind all of them separately for Russian layout too? S= hould > I do this in every single one application I use besides Emacs (and which > probably doesn't even have the facility to rebind keys.) >=20 > Non-self-inserting keys _absolutely_ must work independently of the layou= t, > at least by default. This is interesting. I think it's actually a problem deserving more thought, not all-black or all-white. For an example, I expeckt C-y to yank, although I'm using sometimes a German, sometimes an US keyboard (where the Y and Z keys exchange places relatively to each other). OTOH, I definitely see your point. Hmmm. Regards -- tomas --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDiUOfBcgs9XrR2kYRAjNDAJ4s3PcHknmJtHLWhKTjjRwyRpeuxwCeKyZm 03qUTSLj94rvBINsoJ1JV2k= =iYDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD-- --===============1315112547== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============1315112547==--