From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Pogonyshev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: <200511261843.06685.pogonyshev@gmx.net> References: <200511222150.54248.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200511260033.24103.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <17287.37836.149968.626472@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1133025182 3791 80.91.229.2 (26 Nov 2005 17:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Aidan Kehoe , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 26 18:12:51 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eg3Zj-00040F-HR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:11:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eg3Zh-0004mF-AL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:10:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eg38s-00085w-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:43:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eg38q-00084e-GY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:43:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eg38n-00083j-LZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eg38n-0006pl-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:43:09 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2005 16:43:07 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (EHLO [194.158.209.164]) [194.158.209.164] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 17:43:07 +0100 X-Authenticated: #16844820 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 In-Reply-To: <17287.37836.149968.626472@parhasard.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46622 Archived-At: Aidan Kehoe wrote: >=20 > Ar an s=C3=A9=C3=BA l=C3=A1 is fiche de m=C3=AD na Samhain, scr=C3=ADobh= Paul Pogonyshev:=20 >=20 > > I use KDE. There I have the Russian (winkeys) layout added with "Inclu= de > > latin layout" option turned on. This gives this command line: > >=20 > > setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us,ru -variant ,winkeys > >=20 > > After this, most applications handle, say `=D0=A1trl-=D0=A6' just like= `Ctrl-W' > > (`=D0=A6' and `W' are on the same key.) However, Firefox doesn't, for = some > > reason (which pisses me off a lot, BTW) and so doesn't Emacs... No idea > > why. >=20 > Recent betas of XEmacs do. Not to do it is expected behaviour, when you > think of it; it would be reasonable to bind M-Cyrillic_tse to something > different to M-x, if both were available on the keyboard.=20 Yeah, and then I'd have to remember if I'm typing in Russian or in English and press different key combos in different layouts to say delete a word. I don't mind if they are configurable in different layouts even if I consid= er it an overkill. But Emacs has some hundreds of actively used key combinati= ons, do you suggest I rebind all of them separately for Russian layout too? Sho= uld I do this in every single one application I use besides Emacs (and which probably doesn't even have the facility to rebind keys.) Non-self-inserting keys _absolutely_ must work independently of the layout, at least by default. Paul