From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "What's This?" in Describe submenu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:02:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200508232202.j7NM2Pv18069@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <4308398B.60401@gmx.at> <200508230008.j7N081514425@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200508230456.j7N4u6x14879@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1124835167 8679 80.91.229.2 (23 Aug 2005 22:12:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 24 00:12:45 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7h03-0007fp-Mo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:12:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7h3r-00089z-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E7gy5-0006AD-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E7gxy-00063a-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7gxt-000614-Ud for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E7gru-0002AO-5U; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7NM2iqt001793; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:02:44 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j7NM2Pv18069; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:02:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: eliz@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:34:57 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42370 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: Perhaps you should re-read the example I gave. Here's the most important part of that text again: Click this to delete all cookies from your machine. If the only useful thing that button does is delete all cookies from your machine, then your example does not contradict what either Stefan or I said. My claim is that the user expects an overview of what the area he clicked on is used for and how he has to use it. If the only meaningful thing he can do is click mouse-1 on it, _then_ it is obviously equivalent with describe-key and then clicking mouse-1. Otherwise, it is very different. > I can only try out the KDE version and that one feels definitely > completely different from describe-key. Can you give a couple of examples, please? If after pressing "What's this?" in the KDE icon editor you single click mouse-1 on Custom Colors, it tells you what you can do there, in particular that you have to _double_ click on a box to edit the color. define-key would just tell you that single clicking mouse-1 sets point. If you click on the Draw Grid, it tells you a bunch of stuff, including what toolbar items are often useful when you are working in this area. You can click on several other areas and you get similar descriptions. All KDE application that I have tried and that support "What's this", behave similarly. Sincerely, Luc.