From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-time-mode in menu bar. Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200508101452.j7AEqUC03400@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200508100142.j7A1gXv02186@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <873bpiplaw.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1123685821 16097 80.91.229.2 (10 Aug 2005 14:57:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 10 16:57:00 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2rzH-00016q-40 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:55:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2s2O-0007m2-BQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E2s16-0007Ct-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:57:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E2s12-00079k-1c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:57:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2s0y-00078y-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2sAh-00087e-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7AEqWqt019388; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:52:33 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j7AEqUC03400; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:52:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: juri@jurta.org In-reply-to: <873bpiplaw.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:03:03 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:41864 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:41864 Juri Linkov wrote: Perhaps what is wrong here is the conjunction `and'. It implies that all these things are displayed simultaneously what is rarely true. The time is always displayed. I believe that the fact that "Mail" is not displayed if there is no mail is obvious to the user. The fact that the load is not displayed if there is no non-negligible load is probably not that surprising to the user either. However the date is never displayed unless you set an option non-nil that is nil by default. The load is actually not displayed if you customize another option away from its default. But what my patch does is adapt the menu bar doc to the default settings. It describes what the user will see if he only customizes Emacs through the menu bar. A more shorter and still understandable menu item is: "Time, Load and Mail" or with `or': "Time, Date, Load or Mail" I prefer "Time, Load and Mail". "Date" can only displayed if the user uses Custom or .emacs for customization, in which case he probably would customize display-time-mode the same way. Moreover, "Date" can be thought of as an optional component of "Time", anyway. Sincerely, Luc.