From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: obsolete comment in tool-bar.el Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:53:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200507090153.j691rN404849@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120874278 11254 80.91.229.2 (9 Jul 2005 01:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 01:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 03:57:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr4au-0002Rl-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:57:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr4cL-0006yP-Ty for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr4c9-0006x2-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:58:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr4c6-0006vl-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:58:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr4c5-0006uW-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dr4ft-0006FJ-KM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 22:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j691tYCK017101; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:55:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j691rN404849; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:53:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: drew.adams@oracle.com In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40667 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40667 Drew Adams wrote: Or what about just reusing keyword :initialize, perhaps redefining its behavior to recognize this special case? After all, this is about initializing the value. The case could be distinguished by supplying :initialize with an argument `custom-initialize-set-runtime' (or some better name). I believe that I will implement it using one or two new predefined :initialize functions. Once I have done that, I will send diffs and if accepted I will document them in the Elisp manual. I will not take care of between 20 and 30 options, some of which I know nothing about, all by myself, however. Some of them are hooks or listvars and for hooks and listvars, a proper solution requires more extensive changes, as we discussed some time ago. So we will not be able to fix those right away. Question: How will users see/detect/understand this behavior? What will they see in "Show initial Lisp expression"? The exact same thing they would see if they used any other :initialize function. The :initialize function should not and will not have any effect on that. Sincerely, Luc.