From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More bugs in Custom themes Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:15:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200507030215.j632FHG09392@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200506300152.j5U1qBo01566@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200507010104.j6114rD07388@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120357977 15630 80.91.229.2 (3 Jul 2005 02:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 02:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 04:32:56 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DouHw-0000qP-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 04:32:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DouHj-0006wa-5m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DouHI-0006u8-Uk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:32:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DouH6-0006p8-SP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DouH2-0006jO-Sb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:32:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dou8C-0006c4-JQ; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j632HDCK023355; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:17:13 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j632FHG09392; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:15:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (rms@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40173 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40173 Richard Stallman wrote: This feature is already in Emacs, it is important, and I will not stand for giving up on it. That is the wrong attitude. I repeat: I do not suggest giving up on (proper) Themes support. I suggest putting it off until after the release. Are those two equivalent? Would you please work on fixing this? I already fixed six bugs and fixing some of them properly was actually not as trivial as you suggested. Four more would be ten. But it does not stop there. As I already said, it makes no sense to fix 1001+ bugs only to create 1001+ others and I will not do that. I have already wasted enough time on the nonsense in custom.el. The Themes code needs to be rewritten using a proper conflict resolution algorithm and a proper design. You have been doing great so far, whenever you decide to fix something rather than say it can't be done. Just fixing bugs is not doing great if you keep discovering bugs at a much faster rate than you can solve them and if the lack of design guarantees the complete impossibility of ever getting the code close to bugfree (unless it gets a proper design). It is not very difficult to come up with a good conflict resolution algorithm (I have outlined one), but it will take time to implement it. Sincerely, Luc.