From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilya Zakharevich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CPerl-mode bug [Re: Relation with package authors (CPerl-mode follow-ups)] Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <20050630183237.GA16162@math.berkeley.edu> References: <87wtq6olso.fsf@marant.org> <877jgrj22g.fsf_-_@marant.org> <87mzp9bnrm.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <20050630043416.GA14713@math.berkeley.edu> <20050630053339.GA14841@math.berkeley.edu> <20050630070427.GA15050@math.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120156526 29904 80.91.229.2 (30 Jun 2005 18:35:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Ilya Zakharevich , J?r?me Marant Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 30 20:35:18 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Do3rj-0003Bl-Cl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:34:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Do401-0005l3-Ub for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Do3rV-0003Bq-3u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:34:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Do3rB-00036E-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Do3r8-0002wZ-Vu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:33:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [169.229.58.57] (helo=mail.math.berkeley.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Do3v1-0008C0-SD; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu (IDENT:5930@powdermilk.Math.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.140.13]) by mail.math.berkeley.edu (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5UIWbOK042042; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilya@math.berkeley.edu) Original-Received: (from ilya@localhost) by powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) id j5UIWbm1016171; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.229.58.57 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39968 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39968 On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:17:59PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > 2005/6/30, Ilya Zakharevich : > > > > I suspect that in this case "a proper merge" will consist of removing > > > > 95% of changes made w.r.t. the reference (my) implementation. > > > > > > Perhaps so, but somebody has to make that judgement... > > > > Sure. Do you know somebody more quialified than me? > > Well if you've gone though the changes in the Emacs CVS and determined > that they're all safely discarded, then sure, of course; but your > previous posts to the thread made it sound as if you hadn't looked at > the details. Not now. But I did during the previous iteration - when I released v5.0 (it was not 95% that time; but *for non-configuration type edits* it might have been about 100%). And what I see are the bug reports which are solved by switching from FSF's version. Trying to maintain two separate versions was a bold experiment; I supported it for a long time. However, it looks like this experiment failed miserably - most of FSF edits are backwards in usability. *Something* must be done in this situation. [I realize that it is a potentially painful topic; it does not help that a lot of people find my writing style offending. My apologies (including "in advance"); it is not intendend.] Yours, Ilya