From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: how to display the NEWS file Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20050521.064711.21604148.wl@gnu.org> References: <87ll6c85jj.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <20050519.181231.70465511.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1116660222 5332 80.91.229.2 (21 May 2005 07:23:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 21 09:23:32 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZOJe-0002EV-DM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:22:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZOMe-0003iV-Ii for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:25:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZOKr-0001o7-O2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZOKn-0001mq-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:23:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZOKm-0001ZL-4e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:23:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZOMq-0008FN-IO; Sat, 21 May 2005 03:25:52 -0400 Original-Received: from p54AFA2C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.162.197] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1DZO5j0Jic-0002jT; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:08:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4L4lBAw006358; Sat, 21 May 2005 06:47:11 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:37430 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:37430 > Actually, the ellipsis dots should be clickable, then outline > mode it is really simple for Joe User... > > I think that is a good idea. Want to work on it? Hmm, what do you think about using `*', `**', `***', etc. in the document itself, but Emacs displays asterisks as `+' if the outline is hidden, and as `-' if it is expanded. Then we would have a treelike structure as available in other applications too: - Installation Changes in Emacs 22.1... ++ Emacs now supports new configure options `--program-prefix',... ++ Emacs can now be built without sound support.... -- You can build Emacs with Gtk+ widgets by specifying `--with-x-toolkit=gtk' when you run configure. This requires Gtk+ 2.0 or newer. This port provides a way to display multilingual text in menus (with some caveats). --- ++ The `emacsserver' program has been removed, replaced with Lisp code.... ++ By default, Emacs now uses a setgid helper program to update game... ++ Leim is now part of the Emacs distribution.... The `++' and `--' would get a different colour (or being displayed as bold or underlined) and would be clickable too. For better readability it would also be preferable to indent all paragraphs (to be done in the document, not at display time). I fear that I won't be able to implement that properly, partly because of a lack of Lisp knowledge and partly of lacking time. Fortunately, this is nothing urgent, and if nobody volunteers, I'll have a look for this in the next few months. Whatever is implemented (or not implemented), I ask all NEWS contributors to make the first line a complete sentence. Is outline-minor-mode intended to be used in addition to text-mode for editing NEWS? Perhaps it is possible to add a hook to fill-paragraph so that lines with the leading asterisk(s) are not filled. Werner