From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default? Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:26:17 -0700 Message-ID: <200504152126.j3FLQJAH011909@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> References: <200504130141.j3D1fpAH016515@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <200504131854.j3DIsWAH021282@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <200504141908.j3EJ8sAH015866@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <16992.9808.647610.767081@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113600691 12003 80.91.229.2 (15 Apr 2005 21:31:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 15 23:31:25 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYOR-0002Ap-J2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:30:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYOr-0002vy-2R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYOJ-0002qB-V8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYO9-0002kz-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYO9-0002k7-Bs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [128.195.1.36] (helo=scanner2.ics.uci.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DMYM4-0002Tb-1p; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: from vino.ics.uci.edu (dann@vino.ics.uci.edu [128.195.11.198]) by scanner2.ics.uci.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3FLQJAH011909; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <16992.9808.647610.767081@farnswood.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:38:40 +1200") Original-Lines: 26 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-100, required 5, USER_IN_WHITELIST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36032 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36032 Nick Roberts writes: > > Because the a selection done with the mouse when xterm-mouse-mode is > > active is not available to X. It is only available to Emacs, so it is > > possible to use the mouse to copy between 2 emacs windows running in > > the same terminal frame, but X know nothing about the selection. > > > > I did not realize it had this disadvantage. It is a serious one. > > But, X selection is still available using the shift key. Well, that is the problem, that the selection is available _by default_ only when using the shift key. This makes emacs inconsistent with the rest of the applications a user normally runs. And it is inconsistent in one of the very useful (and used) functions. > > I think we should put the default back to off. > > Its a question of giving priority to Emacs features or Xterm > features. Within Emacs, the mouse is used more often for Emacs so > it seems more natural that Emacs gets priority there. But the price to pay in inconsistency and inconvenience seems to big... --dan