From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default? Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200504132323.j3DNNnM01197@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200504130141.j3D1fpAH016515@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113435486 2484 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2005 23:38:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dann@ics.uci.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 14 01:38:03 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrQP-0007rO-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:37:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrTa-0006Af-Qs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrFX-0000qI-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:26:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrFU-0000oU-Ju for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLrEk-0000WM-5z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:25:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLrF8-0004KT-O2; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:25:58 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3DNPS9N023692; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j3DNNnM01197; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:23:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:31:09 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35958 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35958 Richard Stallman wrote: I don't follow the logic. While the failure to implement some mouse features is clearly a drawback, why would it be better to implement none than to implement some? I don't see it. Did you try out Xterm Mouse mode for any prolonged period of time, performing non-trivial tasks? Anybody who uses Xterm Mouse mode _needs_ to know about the SHIFT functionality. That is, needs to have read either the xterm-mouse-mode docstring or `(emacs)XTerm Mouse'. Otherwise, the most basic mouse functionality, killing and yanking, does not work anymore (except _inside_ your Emacs session). Even knowing about SHIFT, it is a real nuisance. The lack of the usual visual feedback (Emacs can not track the mouse, even with Xterm Mouse mode enabled), can also be very confusing, except to knowledgeable users. Sincerely, Luc.