From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:01:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200504130001.j3D01Cn19635@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200504020351.j323ppS16391@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16974.11752.332998.125628@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504021346.j32Dk3e19471@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16978.12100.857894.861739@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504060000.j3600bm15264@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16979.20638.871209.55398@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504070045.j370j0J27252@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16981.58243.428189.615765@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504081605.j38G5ia15320@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16982.64939.154130.463783@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504090406.j3946HQ22712@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <01c53d89$Blat.v2.4$96f0bb20@zahav.net.il> <200504101318.j3ADID528159@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200504120212.j3C2CNc11392@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113350510 23874 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2005 00:01:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 13 02:01:47 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLVKA-0000AO-3k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:01:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLUuY-0000a6-W3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLUuB-0000ZI-My for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLUu8-0000Yt-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:34:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLUu8-0000Yj-7k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:34:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLVLU-0001wB-Cw; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j3D02m9N018775; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:02:48 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j3D01Cn19635; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:01:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:23:33 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35913 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35913 I have now enabled Xterm Mouse mode by default in xterm style terminal emulators, as requested. As I pointed out before, this is not without problems. One of the worst kind of problems occurs when you click on the mode line. You get no tooltips or echo area messages to tell you what is going to happen, because, even with Xterm Mouse mode enabled, Emacs does not respond to mouse over. So basically, when you click on the mode line you have no idea what is going to happen. The main reason for wanting to click on the mode line is to resize the window. Should we not disable all the other fireworks in the mode line when we can not warn the user about them, that is, when not running under a window system? A basic problem with Xterm Mouse mode is that mouse clicks are enabled, but the usual tools to tell you that mouse clicks are going to do something special and what that is (mouse face and tooltips or echo area messages) are not. Sincerely, Luc.