From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Putting blink-cursor-mode in Options menu. Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:26:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200503011726.j21HQxZ17274@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200503010034.j210Y4k13181@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200503011608.j21G8OL15703@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109698634 3850 80.91.229.2 (1 Mar 2005 17:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 18:37:13 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6BH4-0004Sx-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:35:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6BZf-0002Ao-Ab for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:54:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6BXy-0001jz-51 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:52:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6BXi-0001aK-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:52:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6BXd-0001Wr-6u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:52:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6BBV-0001ph-4F; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:29:25 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j21HTO9N002467; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:29:24 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j21HQxZ17274; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:26:59 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:58:01 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33993 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33993 David Kastrup wrote: Because it is a visual feature that you want to see or not. So are "Syntax Highlighting", "Active Region Highlighting" and "Paren Match Highlighting". Then perhaps we should rename the menu. It definitely does not "hide" things, since a scrollbar or toolbar or speedbar or similar does not get hidden, but removed or switched off. After you remove them, you can not see them anymore, which people may think of as "hidden", even though this is technically speaking not the way things are implemented. On the other hand, you definitely can still see the cursor, whether it blinks or not. Nitpickingly correct would be: Show/ Do Not Show, but "Hidden" is the name most other applications seem to use, even though they too just "remove" stuff instead of "hiding" it. Personally, if settings render Emacs unusable (like you claim) for some audience, then these settings must be changeable from the command line with the man page saying so. Having to study a man page before even being able to casually and comfortably try out an application does usually not encourage people to try out that application. That is the only safe way people will have a chance to arrive at a working Emacs without suffering a heart attack or epilepsy or blindness or whatever beforehand. I said that it produced discomfort. I did not claim that it was a health hazard. This is not something that can easily be "solved", we can at best make a poll. A poll among users would be most relevant, and if we don't have that, a poll on developers. This is unbelievable. We are talking about adding an option to a menu, not about changing a default. Sincerely, Luc.